My son and DIL (and kids) go to this church. It is a mess. A total mess. I’ve visited and besides the music being so loud it is causing permanent hearing damage to the “audience”, the sermons are a joke.
His father must be (should be) embarrassed.
The virginity of our Blessed Lady was defined under anathema in the third canon of the Lateran Council held in the time of Pope Martin I, A.D. 649. The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, as recited in the Mass, expresses belief in Christ “incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary”; the Apostles’ Creed professes that Jesus Christ “was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary”; the older form of the same creed uses the expression: “born of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary”.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15448a.htm
Sure, Andy. No problem.
The road to perdition is wide. Anything goes. Room enough for you and all of those who are naïve enough to follow you.
Just remember to close your eyes, stop up your ears with your fingers, and sing LA! LA! LA! really loud to keep out the truth.
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The devil is at work here.
Andy is just plain stupid
I’m just a backwoods evangelical Christian of the Restoration Movement (Stone/Campbell), and if somebody tells me they don’t believe in the Virgin Birth, I’m going to wonder why they believe anything else that Christians believe. If God didn’t supernaturally impregnate Mary, the rest is suspect, too. It all stands or falls together, and I say, it stands.
Is Christ not the Christ whether or not Yeshua was born of a virgin, or not? What central tenant of believing in Yeshua as the Christ, and in believing Christ, is violated by not believing He was born of a virgin?
I have always believed G-d does not require I adopt conviction in answers to some questions. That it is O.K. to be an agnostic on some answers, believing that in the fullness of time G-d will make answers to many questions known to all, without judgement for waiting for G-d. I think it is better to believe in G-d, and that man does not have perfect answers to many things.
[[Though it is only now breaking in to the open, the Baptist world has been rocked by a Dec. 4 sermon in which the son of famed TV evangelist Charles Stanley discounted the importance of believing in the virgin birth of Jesus. ]]
My baptists world hasn’t been rocked- it seems the only ones rocked are those looking to add fuel to a controversy that is meaningless- Andy preaches another gospel- it has long been known- His father preaches God’s word- Sadly Andy is drawing many people into an empty religion where practically anything goes- He tickles the ears of those who don’t like having to be accountable for their actions-
I’m not even sure Andy is Saved- some of the things he preaches are so contrary to God’s word that I find it hard to believe he ever accepted Christ- IF he did, then he is seriously misguided- and he is in danger of leading many astray- thinking they are saved- when they aren’t- what they are instead is ‘religious’ (in their minds)- there’s a big difference
Most baptists know Andy is preaching something other than God’s word- We’re not ‘taken by surprise’ over anything he says- There are many false teachers in the world- and it’s looking more and more like Andy may be one- It is just our hope and prayer that he doesn’t take too many people down with him
One isn’t saved by studying systematic theology. And a lot of systematic theology - predestination vs Arminians, what exactly is the Divine nature of Christ - has almost nothing to do with being saved. HOW God saves us is far less important that the He is WILLING to save us.
The Virgin Birth? God’s Word reveals it and I believe it. But I would not cease to belong to Jesus if I had not heard about it.
Andy’s always been out tbere ...
I can’t figure out why some preachers feel compelled to engage in speculation about the gospel, to look behind the curtain, as it were, when Paul and the other writers of the New Testament never did. They must be trying to fill up time.
Every age recycles heresy from the past. At least he could have come up with something new.
That's exactly true...However, in my experiences the Lord will instill in a born again Christian the spiritual hunger to seek His words, which are found only in the scriptures...
Don't want to believe the bible or really care what it has to say??? Perhaps the God of Creation is hanging around you but not IN you...
As my old friend Tom Baldwin once said on this very questions: He has quite a repertoire.
When they don’t call themselves Baptist but rather by the geography it’s a giveaway it’s a potential issue there
Pity
Any Baptist like I am or anyone else doesn’t think Christ was born of a virgin birth has a real problem