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Actually Christ is quite clear on His meaning: "The bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood, hath everlasting life; and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed. He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him. As the living Father has sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eats me the same also shall live by me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eats this bread shall live forever." Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard,' and who can hear it? But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickens: the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that, would betray him. And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him. Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? There are four narrations of the institution of the Eucharist: Matt. 26:26‑28; Mark 14:22‑24; Luke 22: 19- 30 and I Corinthians 11: 23‑25. I don't know what happened to formatting, as I have double returns between lines?

Actually Christ is quite clear on His meaning:

Actually you mean you have no argument except to post the words whose meaning are the very thing that are in dispute, which the rest of the NT, Acts onward, are interpretive of. And which do not support the neoliteralistic Catholic interpretation of Jn. 6 and the gospel accounts of the LS. Nor does the rest of John or elsewhere in Scripture, in which spiritual life is never obtained by literally physical eating anything.

Among the problems the Catholic has conflating the rest of Scripture with Jn. 6, if "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you," (John 6:53) is be understood literally as Caths invoked it, then since it is as much an absolute imperative as other "verily verily" statements, then it plainly means that no one who has not received as well as those who deny the "real presence" do have spiritual life in them.

Yet the NT church nowhere teaches that it is by receiving the Lord's supper that one obtains spiritual life in them, but which is believing the word of the gospel message of salvation, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and which conflates with the metaphorical interpretation expressed in the concluding statement, that "the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life." (v. 63)

Eating itself in Scripture does indeed profit nothing, for "meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse," (1 Corinthians 8:8) but as the gospel of John in particular teaches with its many metaphors, it is by believing that Jesus is the Christ, the "lamb" of God which takes away the sins of the world (Jn. 1:29) that one obtains spiritual life, receiving "living water" (Jn. 4) and becoming "born" from above, (Jn. 3) and a "temple" of the Holy Spirit, (cf. Jn. 2) and becomes a water "fountain." (Jn. 7)

And even modern Rome affirms Scripture-centric Prots as being born again.

In addition, the Lord said that font color="#5e11a6">"As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." (John 6:57)

And how did Christ "live by the Father but how He said we should, "

" But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4) "

And thus Jesus saith, "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." (John 4:34)

All of which alone conflates with believing the word of God which results in obtaining spiritual life, and then living by the God/Christ. To Him be glory now and forever. Amen.

As John said without mentioning the Lord's supper but by believing Jesus Christ was manifest in the flesh (which is contrary to the Catholic "looks/tastes/tests as a bread but it "really" is Jesus Christ):

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13)