Posted on 11/26/2016 5:00:52 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
Are there no others?
“The article suggests the pope has only exercised this “authority” only twice. Are there no others?”
Actually it says, “ You can count on one hand (two fingers, even!) the number of times the pope has invoked this authority since 1800 A.D.”
Twice since 1800.
Is the source you provided an official roman catholic site...that is one approved of by the vatican?
Or is it just somebody's blog site. Perhaps yours??
Is this just his own personal opinion?
What makes his blog official? Why should it be accepted?
Regarding historical papal documents, Catholic theologian and church historian Klaus Schatz made a thorough study, published in 1985, that identified the following list of ex cathedra documents (see Creative Fidelity: Weighing and Interpreting Documents of the Magisterium, by Francis A. Sullivan, chapter 6):
Tome to Flavian, Pope Leo I, 449, on the two natures in Christ, received by the Council of Chalcedon;
Letter of Pope Agatho, 680, on the two wills of Christ, received by the Third Council of Constantinople;
Benedictus Deus, Pope Benedict XII, 1336, on the beatific vision of the just after death rather than only just prior to final judgment;[76]
Cum occasione, Pope Innocent X, 1653, condemning five propositions of Jansen as heretical;
Auctorem fidei, Pope Pius VI, 1794, condemning seven Jansenist propositions of the Synod of Pistoia as heretical;
Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius IX, 1854, defining the Immaculate Conception;
Munificentissimus Deus, Pope Pius XII, 1950, defining the Assumption of Mary.
There is no complete list of papal statements considered infallible. A 1998 commentary on Ad Tuendam Fidem issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith published on L'Osservatore Romano in July 1998[77] listed a number of instances of infallible pronouncements by popes and by ecumenical councils, but explicitly stated (at no. 11) that this was not meant to be a complete list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
“Reason I ask is that other sources suggest there are more than these.”
And then you post a list that does not cover ONLY since 1800? Please note that the list you posted ONLY HAS TWO SINCE 1800. Isn’t that the same as this: “You can count on one hand (two fingers, even!) the number of times the pope has invoked this authority since 1800 A.D.” Reading comprehension. It’s fundamental.
“Are there no “official” records?”
Yes and no.
“Surely roman catholicism should be able to tell us this.”
The Catholic Church could. “roman catholicism” won’t. Isms don’t speak. And those unwilling to hear can’t be told anything by anyone.
None prior to that??
Can't you for just once engage in a conversation without being such a jerk?
“You may note I said the article suggested he’s only exercised this only twice.”
If we’re referring to the same article, you are mistaken. It says SINCE 1800. It does not say “only twice”. It says only twice SINCE 1800.
“I asked a simple question...”
No you didn’t. I don’t even believe that you believe it’s simple either.
“”are there no others” and you have to reply with one of your typical smartypants answers...”
I replied with an answer that was appropriate to your question.
“Can’t you for just once engage in a conversation without being such a jerk?”
I don’t believe you engage in conversations with Catholics. A person who consistently refuses to capitalize “Catholicism”, or “Catholic” or “Roman Catholicism” seems ill-disposed toward any genuine conversation about those things or with a Catholic.
“None prior to that??”
None what?
“As I noted earlier...you just can’t help yourself.”
As I noted earlier...you just don’t seem interested in the genuine conversation you claim you want. You’ve already shown that in the past on this very topic:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3347430/posts
As always vlad it's an experience with you.
I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.
I'm off to watch FL and FSU slug it out.
“As I said previously. As always vlad it’s an experience with you.”
As I said previously, someone who can’t even capitalize “Catholicism” can’t be very interested in a genuine conversation about it.
“I hope you had a good Thanksgiving.”
I really did. One of the guests at dinner was a former Protestant who related how much her in-laws hated on her for becoming Catholic. None of what she said was surprising.
“I’m off to watch FL and FSU slug it out.”
Good.
Ha! I totally missed that!
That is the lamest, out of context “proof” I’ve ever heard.
Is there any dust left on your shoes?
Rational discourse is beyond some as you can see.
“That is the lamest, out of context “proof” I’ve ever heard.”
Jesus rose from the dead. Is that an infallibly true statement of not?
Did Peter declare that ex cathedra, or relate an eye witness fact ?
#58
Have you got any pearl necklaces left? 😏
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