Posted on 10/26/2016 7:20:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis with Ayoub Kara at the Vatican on October 26, 2016. (photo credit:AYOUB KARA)
God promised the Holy Land to the people of Israel, Pope Francis said during a public address at the Vatican in Rome on Wednesday in a speech about migration.
“The people of Israel, who from Egypt, where they were enslaved, walked through the desert for forty years until they reached the land promised by God,” he said.
Pope Francis spoke just before granting a brief audience to Israeli Deputy Minister for Regional Cooperation Ayoub Kara to thank him for his efforts on behalf of the Church and Christians in Israel.
Kara told reporters he felt that the pontiff was sending a direct message to UNESCO, whose World Heritage Committee approved a resolution that ignored Jewish ties to the Temple Mount.
When he spoke with Pope Francis he thanked him for his statement acknowledging Israel’s rights to the Holy Land. He added that there is no question that the resolution is harmful to Christians and the Scriptures because it “distorts historical and theological facts.”
Kara is scheduled to meet on Thursday with Vatican Secretary of State Pietro Cardinal Parolin.
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Bayit Yehudi chairwoman Shuli Moalem-Refaeli said: “Arabs in Israel and abroad have a glorious record of harming Jewish, Christian and Muslim holy sites. They also have an impressive record of rewriting history in a way that shames international institutions.”
If Arabs want to disavow the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount and Israel, they should take it one step further, she added: “If we were never here and Jesus was a Palestinian, then I suggest that UNESCO condemn the Palestinians for crucifying Jesus.”
Praying for your swift recovery.
"And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise." Gal 3:29
And then there are those Orthodox Jews who are against the “State of Israel”:
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
So Pius X was correct about the Muslims but not the Jews?
Yes. Even the Orthodox Jews accept non-genetically-Jewish proselytes.
" If a German converts to Judaism, does he now have a claim to the Holy Land?"
I'd guess so--- if the Orthodox rabbis accept him as a Jew.
" What made the descendants of Abraham so special if not their heritage? "
Their faith. That's what St. Paul says, anyhow. Of course Paul is not an Orthodox rabbi.
It's a matter of considerable controversy right now in Israel, right now as we speak.
Yes, definitely.
Thanks very much.
Not serious
Offended by secular ideology.
Pope Saint Pius X was right on both counts; JP II and Bergoglio were wrong on both counts.
Why was Pius X wrong about the Jews? He and all of his predecessors agreed.
I think most non-Jews forget/don’t know that there are actual Jews who are anti-Zionism...and that they have very valid reasons for it.
Good Friday Prayer for the Jews
Let us pray also for the faithless Jews {perfidis Judaeis}: that Almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts; so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord.
Almighty and eternal God, who dost not exclude from thy mercy even Jewish faithlessness {Judaicam perfidiam}: hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people; that acknowledging the light of thy Truth, which is Christ, they may be delivered from their darkness. Through the same our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, for ever and ever. Amen.
Yes, We disagree in part. See scripture about God’s eternal promises to His people, those covenents God has with his Jewish people which are unconditional I mean. I sent you a good start on this from Genesis. There are several more Biblical references you can find easily I’m sure. See also Genesis 12:3. We agree insofar as the islamics — their teachings have so much hate and aggression in them that they’re clearly IMHO on the opposite side of the tracks from Biblical faith traditions. As is plainly evident with so many Moslem invasions and terrorist murder gangs and attacks and bombings in the world today. We know a tree by its fruits _. Thanks. Gotta go. Have very nice day
...the Catholic Church has always been accustomed to pray for the Jewish people, who were the depository of divine promises up until the arrival of Jesus Christ, notwithstanding their subsequent blindness, or rather, because of this very blindness. Moved by that charity, the Apostolic See has protected the same people from unjust ill-treatment, and just as it censures all hatred and enmity among people, so it altogether condemns in the highest degree possible hatred against the people once chosen by God, viz., the hatred that now is what is usually meant in common parlance by the term known generally as “anti-Semitism.” - Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, Decree Cum Supremae, March 25, 1928; approved by Pius XI.
Do you even listen to words of Consecration at Mass?
FOR THIS IS THE CHALICE OF MY BLOOD,OF THE NEW AND ETERNAL TESTAMENT: THE MYSTERY OF FAITH: WHICH WILL BE SHED FOR YOU AND FOR MANY UNTO THE REMISSION OF SINS.
I don't know about you, but I think that means some testaments/covenants were then void and never eternal.
Pope Francis effectively continues the program initiative by the Council, and brought to fruition by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI that the Old Covenant has not been superseded by the New. This is a novel concept that runs contrary to Sacred Scripture and to the perennial magisterium of the Church.
Our Lord Jesus Christ told the Jews of his day: “If you do not believe that I am He [the Messiah], you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24) Elsewhere He said to the Jews, “You search the Scripture because in them you think you have life everlasting. And it is they that bear witness to Me, yet you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.” (John 5:39-40)
Saint John, faithful to Our Lord’s teaching, says likewise, “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ. He is Antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2: 22). Modern day Jews deny Jesus is the Christ, and live their lives as if Jesus does not exist.
Saint Peter, at his first sermon on Pentecost morning, publicly told the Jews who had assembled to hear him speak that they must be baptized and become members of Christ’s true ecclesia for salvation. (Acts 2) Even though these men were religious Jews, pious Jews who had traveled a great distance to celebrate the Jewish Feast, St. Peter did not tell them they had their own workable covenant independent from Christ. For salvation, they needed to leave their position in Judaism and transfer into the one true Church established by Christ.
Saint John Paul 2’s prayer at the western wall of the Jerusalem temple: : “God of our fathers, You chose Abraham and his descendants to bring your Name to the nations: we are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant.”
You are quoting the same pope who kissed a Koran, who was the first one to step into a mosque, and and invoked St John the Baptist to protect Islam. He was also the first pope who stepped into a Jewish synagogue.
All that shows is “Saint” JPII was a heretic.
Putting the first three pApal statements on a par with the fourth is where we cannot agree. Jesus instructed his followers to obey God’s Law (as he did) as set forth in the Hebrew Scriptures - -and to do as the other Jewish rabbis teach (despite the failures or hypocrisy of some of them of his acquaintance). Because thy sit on the seat of Moses. Jesus further taught that “not one dot or tittle” of the Jewish law was to be changed. He obviously was himself a Jew with Jewish family in a Jewish community and having mostly Jewish followers and supporters in the Jewish promised homeland. That there are theological differences is clear. Nevertheless, holy scripture instructs us that key aspects of God’s covenant and promises to His Jewish people are eternal and cannot be changed nor denigrated, by any actions or deeds or failures of mankind. And that my friend ( far beyond the statements of any and all popes or clerics since) is the bottom line, at least its mine. Blessings,
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