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Along with that is the words of Yahshua John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. At the time Yahshua spoke this “my word” was the Torah. So if you heard and did His Torah and believed on Yahweh who sent him, you were saved eternally. Go figure. doesn’t line up with church doctrine

It doesn't line up with Scripture. If Jesus (I know Sacred Namers don't like that name) meant we had to do "His Torah" to be redeemed, He would have said so. But he repeatedly said it was belief and faith in Him that saved us. Hearing His word is the good news He preached of redemption by His shed blood for our sins. He is our Passover lamb - the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. It's not by what you "do" plus faith, but faith only. That doesn't mean we should go out and live as we please in debauchery, just that our works do not save us - Jesus saves us by grace THROUGH faith in Him. If we must do Torah in addition to having faith, then it is no longer grace that saves us. Grace is unmerited favor.

Luke 18:18

18And one who was a nobleman came to him and said to him, “Good teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good except the one God.” 20”You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not testify a false testimony, Honor your father and your mother.’ “* 21He said to him, “I have kept all these things from my childhood.” 22But when Yeshua heard these things, he said to him, “You lack one thing: Go sell everything that you have and give to the poor, and you shall have a treasure in Heaven, and come after me.” 23But when he heard these things, it grieved him, for he was very rich.

WHOLE LOT OF “DOING” GOING ON....

It doesn't line up with Scripture. If Jesus (I know Sacred Namers don't like that name) meant we had to do "His Torah" to be redeemed, He would have said so. IT IS SCRIPTURE!!!! along with Luke 10:25 25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’c ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d ” 28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

I agree, but again John 14:23 says what? Let us take this to the logical conclusion.

I can believe in Christ, but treat my neighbor like crap. After all I am under Grace.

I can commit adultery because I am bored with my spouse and the kids will see my happiness with my true soul mate. I can do this because I am under Grace.

This person has more than me and not fair so I murdered him/her. I am ok because I believe in Christ and under His Grace.

This one side of the Grace theology is warping the Church because the teaching fails to address the responsibility ENUMERATED several times in Scripture of post-belief "fruit" that God expects from us, humility, repentance, reflection and adherence to God's/Christ's commands. Again, "If you love me..."