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To: ebb tide
Do you deny that the Eastern Orthodox Church, schismatic or not, has apostolic succession? Even the SSPX schizzies, puny ecclesiastical pipsqueaks by comparison, have apostolic succession, courtesy of Grand Theft Ecclesiastical by dead excommunicated Marcel, and by Fellay, de Mallerais, Williamson, and de Gallarata.

The Eastern Orthodox largely stayed put 1,000 or so years ago and developed the notion of synods of bishops are their substitute for legitimate central papal authority and have developed, except as to papal authority, in remarkably similar pathways dogmatically. Diocesan bishops remained diocesan bishops, abbots to be abbots, etc.

Dead excommunicated Marcel and his partners in ecclesiastical theft and revolution also denied the central authority of the papacy only more so and their vicious resistance to Pope Saint John Paul II was carried out. Marcel's idea seemed to be that every Tom, Dick and Archbishop is his own pope, gets to choose his own looney tunes as bishops (thinking particularly of Williamson and foul mouthed de Mallerais) or Fellay whose posturing as some sort of legitimate "authority" resembles a flea climbing the leg of an elephant, etc. Fellay actually dared dictate TERMS to Benedict XVI for the return of his little platoon of schizzies to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. That'll teach Benedict XVI to lift these miscreants' just excommunications (those who were still alive).

Speaking of "cafeteria "Catholics," it was you and not I who argued from Frankie the Apostate's remarkable (even for him) statement that he gives SSPX schizzie priests carte blanche to play make believe confessor. Offensive as such a mistake surely is, he has the power to make it and hopefully it will be reversed when next we have a CATHOLIC pope. It wold also be nice if the next CATHOLIC pope dictated terms to Fellay and company, give them a deadline for total submission or excommunicate them and their misguided followers once and for all.

Instead, Frankie purported to give permission for them to hear confessions without being in communion with diocesan ordinaries. If this were confined, to Cupich's Chicago, it might be understandable as an archdiocesan "emergency but then Frankie would have to apologize to Chicago for appointing Cupich as Archbishop and as a Cardinal. Frankie is trying to stack the College of Cardinals for the next conclave to guarantee that the CATHOLICS not be allowed to come back. The last time this was tried (by Paul VI) the results he sought sought were not realized. Instead, a silver age started with Pope John Paul I, continued through Pope Saint John Paul II and Benedict XVI.

76 posted on 10/14/2016 2:52:48 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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To: BlackElk
Do you deny that the Eastern Orthodox Church, schismatic or not, has apostolic succession?

Nope. I don't deny it and I have have never denied it.

P.S. Bergoglio is the current pope; you are not. Benedict was his predecessor and Benedict issued Summoram Pontificum and it was Benedict who lifted the excommunications of the SSPX bishops. So I don't give two cents about your rants. When the College of Cardinals elect you to the papacy, let me know,that's when I'll go Orthodox.

78 posted on 10/14/2016 3:11:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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