[Claud]

You can not possibly compare Vatican II to any other time/situation/pope in Church history. We are in unchartered waters.

I can compare it, and I do compare it. What happened to the Mass in 1970 was foreshadowed not only by the total reorganization of the Divine Office but also by the neoGallican reforms in France.

What's that old saying? History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

[piusv]

I can compare it, and I do compare it. What happened to the Mass in 1970 was foreshadowed not only by the total reorganization of the Divine Office but also by the neoGallican reforms in France.

Sure you can....if the Crisis post Vatican II was merely about the Liturgy.

But it's not.