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To: Melian; NYer; piusv; nickedknack; surroundedbyblue; wattojawa; Rapscallion; Lurkinanloomin; ...

A wise old priest once told me, “Don’t you worry; the Holy Spirit is still guiding the Church.”

People have to hold fast to Church teaching and ignore the human teachers. The Sacraments are what matter. Francis is just the chief servant of the Church. It’s the Eucharist that truly saves.

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The truth is, if people had been and were holding fast to Church teaching and ignoring the human teachers, they would have rejected the entire event of the Vatican II council as far as its validity, and include not recognizing the pontificate of so-called John XXIII nor any of his successors in crime.

In fact numbers of truly wise and faithful Catholics have held fast to or returned to Church teaching, as they have searched for and found Sacraments in practice as they were at the time of the last valid pontiff, that of Pope Pius XII.

A very good sampling of where faithful can still find valid Mass and Sacraments is here: http://www.cmri.org/traditional-latin-mass-directory.shtml#USA

One glaring example of the many heresies propogated by the invalid council is the changing of the words of consecration, which so doing, Pope Pius V had declared, makes one worthy of damnation. That was an infallible declaration, as are the official acts of all of the popes.

(In fact, it would be impossible for a future pope or one of his councils to reverse truth, as truth is unchanging.)

Thus it is most especially obvious that today’s “Francis” is no pope at all, for if he could as pope harm the Church and commit heresy, then the gates of hell HAVE prevailed against the Church.

The evidence thus tells the flock that he is no pope and we plead with and await the Holy Ghost to bring about a valid pope once again, even as He started the Church in the upper room, breathing upon the apostles as He truly did at that time!

And as Mary told young Francisco in Fatima (paraphrase): “YOU must pray many rosaries...”


22 posted on 10/10/2016 7:25:32 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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Thus it is most especially obvious that today’s “Francis” is no pope at all, for if he could as pope harm the Church and commit heresy, then the gates of hell HAVE prevailed against the Church.

Incorrect. If that were the case, the gates of Hell would have prevailed against the Church over a thousand years ago when Honorius gave tacit approval to the Monothelite heresy. Remember: Honorius was *anathematized* by an ecumenical council, and I believe that anathema carried Pope Agatho's approval.

The Pope can commit heresy personally. He just can't define it ex cathedra as binding on the whole Church. Read the definition from Vatican I very carefully and note what it says and doesn't say. The Fathers at that council had the case of Honorius staring them right in the face when they made the definition.

23 posted on 10/10/2016 8:02:19 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Repent and Believe

Christ promised the gates of Hell would never prevail over the Church. And the Catholic Church goes on, holding fast to the doctrine it received from the Apostles.

I’m not worried; the weak seed is being winnowed out.


40 posted on 10/10/2016 5:59:18 PM PDT by Melian (While we argue here, the bad guys are winning.)
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The truth is, if people had been and were holding fast to Church teaching and ignoring the human teachers, they would have rejected the entire event of the Vatican II council as far as its validity, and include not recognizing the pontificate of so-called John XXIII nor any of his successors in crime.
Didn't Jesus give Simon Bar Jonah, Peter, the petra ROCK, the leadership? If so, then he and the popes who followed, do have the authority to call "Vatican Councils."

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In fact numbers of truly wise and faithful Catholics have held fast to or returned to Church teaching, as they have searched for and found Sacraments in practice as they were at the time of the last valid pontiff, that of Pope Pius XII.
WHO gets to decide the "truly wise and faithful Catholics? YOU? the local bishop? or simply those who follow the pope's leadership? Jesus DID give popes authority to change the Mass in non-essentials. There wasn't even any SINGING at Mass until MUCH later in history. There WERE no sacraments as we now know them in Jesus' time. They were slowly developed over time.

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A very good sampling of where faithful can still find valid Mass and Sacraments is here: http://www.cmri.org/traditional-latin-mass-directory.shtml#USA
The original language of Jesus was Aramaic. The Latin didn't come into being until Peter went to Rome (asked by St. Paul) and died on the age-old Vatican Hill. Since Latin was the language of those ancient Romans, the Mass began in Latin.
The popes then allowed Mass to be in the vernacular, which, at Jesus' time, WAS Latin. So, what's the beef?
I do have to admit that my daily Missal, which I take to daily Mass, DOES have both the Latin on the left and English on the right. I still say the "Kyrie, eleison"; "Agnus Dei"; the "Pater Noster" and "Domine, non sum dignus..." in Latin
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One glaring example of the many heresies propogated by the invalid council is the changing of the words of consecration, which so doing, Pope Pius V had declared, makes one worthy of damnation. That was an infallible declaration, as are the official acts of all of the popes.
(In fact, it would be impossible for a future pope or one of his councils to reverse truth, as truth is unchanging.)

ONLY dogma cannot change. Orthodoxies have differences in ritual and they are still in communion with Rome.
NO pope ever changes or reverses TRUTH. None want to. Which DOGMA, eternal truth has any pope changed?

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Thus it is most especially obvious that today’s “Francis” is no pope at all, for if he could as pope harm the Church and commit heresy, then the gates of hell HAVE prevailed against the Church.
The evidence thus tells the flock that he is no pope and we plead with and await the Holy Ghost to bring about a valid pope once again, even as He started the Church in the upper room, breathing upon the apostles as He truly did at that time!

The Pope did NOT elect himself. If you want to BLAME anyone for his ELECTION, blame the cardinals, red hats, for their choice.
They KNEW what Francis was all about; they KNEW him well. And, in spite of YOUR take on him, he was ELECTED by the cardinals/red hats.

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And as Mary told young Francisco in Fatima (paraphrase): “YOU must pray many rosaries...”
I'm sure that he did.
Get over yourself. It's all about JESUS, loving God and each other, not about what Pope Francis may say and do. If he did/does heresy, there are MANY doctors of the Church and the cardinals, red hats, to bring him back in line. NOT your job.

And, on that note: I doubt if you will recant what you've written and WON'T believe a word I've written.
But THAT'S OKAY. This IS the Free Republic!

GO JIM!!!!

Go Repent and Believe! Freegards.

49 posted on 10/11/2016 10:36:36 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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