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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; tx_eggman
Nonsense!

Only nonsense to a Judaizing heretic, but not for the Christian:

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

IOW, we are righteous at the moment of faith in God's sight through imputation, and not by works. But in terms of sanctification, our own progression and conformation into Christ's image throughout our lives, this also is the gift of God:

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." (Eze 36:26-27)

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Isa 26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

56 posted on 10/02/2016 6:55:24 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; metmom; tx_eggman
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To believe that even a single reference you posted might fail to fully uphold my position, You would have to believe that Paul is a double-minded man.

Do you believe that Romans 4 contradicts Romans 2?

Romans 4 speaks of the law of the Pharisees, while Romans 2 speaks of Torah.

Were you a Bible believer, the contradiction you try to create would stand out like a sore thumb.

Romans 2

[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 4

[4] Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

It is a lie to say that you believe on Yeshua if you do not follow the same Torah that he did.

1John 2

[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning.
The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

There is no grace for any who reject his loving Torah. Stop deceiving yourself; the end will not be good.

63 posted on 10/02/2016 7:24:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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