Posted on 10/02/2016 11:40:45 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
Genesis 32:22-32 New International Version (NIV)
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[c] and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.
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You appear to have crafted a God that does not conform to the “Scriptures” that Yeshua and the apostles preached. (Tanakh + the Maccabees in essence)
The God you have crafted depends on the standard misinterpretations of spot passages in the epistles of Paul, disregarding the clear fact that your interpretations of those spots are at odds with the bulk of Paul’s teachings, and all of the other apostles teachings, and all of Yeshua’s teachings.
Nothing in the word presents obedience to Torah as burdensome “work,” yet you persist at declaring it such.
The god of confusion.
The god that has a new covenant with an imaginary “church,” rather than the God that has a renewed covenant with the rejoined House of Judah and House of Israel of the Prophets.
Is that not your image?
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You have completely denied the truths of the Scriptures.
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You are dodging what Faith is.
If you do not believe that Torah is Yehova’s instructions for righteousness, it is impossible for you to even have faith.
Paul made that clear in chapters 3 and 4 of his epistle to the Hebrews. He declared that the gospel he preached is the exact same gospel that was delivered to Moses, and that those that were lost in the desert simply lacked belief therein.
How much plainer can it be?
If you deny Torah, you have nothing left for faith to be about. If you don’t believe the plan Yehova delivered to his sheep was adequate, you are in the same shape that the unbelievers that yearned to return to Egypt were in.
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I see your mistake.
Since I seem to disagree with YOUR interpretation of the Scriptures; you assume that I somehow am creating a god that doesn't agree with your concept of god.
You've yet to prove that your point of view is correct to anyone in this thread other than your self.
Wouldn't save you time and effort to just declare Victory! and leave the field of battle?
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>> “Wouldn’t save you time and effort to just declare Victory! and leave the field of battle?” <<
Giving your god a victory over Yehova, the most high?
That has been the goal since that day in the garden, has it not!
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It appears that YOU are trying to give ME a god of straw that you have supplied.
That’s about ALL they’ve got. Lots of straw. Never a baler to organize or make sense of it. Course...we all know what straw is good for.
Nope. No dodge. You are ignoring what FAITH is. Here...let me help you:
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1)
If you do not believe that Torah is Yehova’s instructions for righteousness, it is impossible for you to even have faith.
Where have I ever denied that "Torah" (though you continue to refuse to define what YOU mean by that word) is God's instruction for righteousness? What I deny - and what Scripture also affirms - is that we are NOT saved by the righteous things we do, but by the GRACE of God through faith. Faith is believing God, trusting in His promises to redeem us through Christ and His sacrifice for our sins. You like to refer to Hebrews, here is a little from that sacred book:
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. (Hebrews 10:1-18)
God certainly WILL put His laws into our previously stone hearts that are now hearts of flesh. That is the point. The new spirit birth will place within our hearts a desire to live for God in holiness out of gratitude for what He has done for us, NOT in order to merit salvation. It cannot be earned, deserved or merited which is why it is by GRACE through faith. This faith is a resting trust in what HE has done for us and not we do for Him. How I pray you GET IT!
I will not be replying anymore to your taunts on this thread. I have more than abundantly explained my beliefs. If you don't agree, you don't agree. I can't make you see the light. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Good night!
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Why don’t you just really read what you have posted?
It affirms everything I have presented to you, and demolishes everything you have put your trust in.
The blood of bulls and goats ceased to be taken in 68 AD, exactly as prophesied in Tanakh, and by our redeemer Yeshua when he walked the Earth.
Divorce the confusion that allows you to post the truth, but ignore it at the same time!
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Yep, the Scriptures and Messianic writings are just straw.
Amazing!
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Yep, the way E-S spins Scriptures and Messianic writings are just straw.
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The spin is all yours.
All that is required to get the truth is to realize that the word of Yehova does not contradict itself.
Using that simple standard, your interpretation of the word is less than ashes.
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What else could you claim; since it does not agree with yours.
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