Posted on 10/02/2016 11:40:45 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
When the Rapture of the Church finally takes place - in which Almighty God the Son calls out His body (saints and ambassadors) - it (The Rapture) will be a wondrous sign unto the apostate western world more so than a sign unto the whole world. For all had better be prepared, for Almighty God's "Day of Wrath" is now at hand (2 Thess. 2:3-12)!
The official commencement of this horrific seven year period will be the breaking of the 1st seal (i.e., the "Confirming of the Covenant" - Dan. 9:27) by Almighty God’s Lamb (i.e., The Lord Jesus Christ) in Heaven (Rev. 6:1). It is at this precise moment that the man of lawlessness (i.e., the anti-Christ) will be revealed unto the entire world (Dan. 9:27, 2 Thess. 2: 3-12). This revealing of the Anti-Christ and the commencement of this seven year tribulation period will begin when this man (i.e., the Prince which is to come) adds his human position of great power and authority to a covenant against Israel with an abundance of peoples and nations (Ezek. 38:8,11-12, Dan. 9: 27). Israel at this time of the confirming of this covenant will receive the super natural protection of Almighty God’s Two Witnesses (Moses and Elijah) who will also begin their ministry at this time for 1260 days and possess Almighty God's Divine authority. These two Witnesses of Almighty God will be extremely more powerful and than the anti - Christ and his global confederacy against Israel and will be used throughout the first half of this tribulation period by Almighty God to make His RIGHTEOUS ETERNAL Person known to a full blown godless world and unbelieving Israel (Rev. 11:3-6).
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We are not, NOBODY ever was, saved by their own righteousness. That is why God took on human flesh and made propitiation for the sins of the world by His sinless shed blood. We receive the righteousness of Christ - we are found in him, not having a righteousness of our own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. (Philippians 3:9) Does your Bible not say that?
Read Fruchtenbaum’s Footsteps of the Messiah.
It nicely summarizes many doctrinal positions describing pretrib premil eschatology.
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:3)
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>> “We are not, NOBODY ever was, saved by their own righteousness.” <<
And obviously you seem to be deliberately misreading my posts just because there is no other way to argue with them?
I have never said we are saved by our own righteousness.
We are saved by “His” righteousness.
His righteousness, in case you have not yet read enough scripture to figure it out, is the Torah he has provided to us.
It is our willingness to commit to a personal confession of Torah that brings his writing of Torah on our hearts. This is the necessary “garment” for the wedding feast.
We are free to reject that opportunity, and he is just to refuse our entry to the feast.
Yeshua would never have spoken the parable of the virgins if our entry to that feast was automatic, as most churchians seem to believe. We must “endure to the end” as we are told by Yeshua, Paul, Peter, and John numerous times. Peter’s second epistle describes the fate of those that lose faith before the end.
The false prophets of Easy Believism will direct many to that outer darkness.
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Christians are the BRIDE at the wedding, not the virgins attending the feast.
Those virgins are not the body of Christ redeemed by His blood, born from above, in this present age.
You’re confused about who’s who in that account.
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>> “Christians are the BRIDE at the wedding, not the virgins attending the feast.” <<
Wow!
You have just cancelled the old mistaken Bible and replaced it with your own corrected version.
Congratulations!
Now, just one thing...
Who would those virgins be?
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Righteousness is a Person.
It’s granted to us freely, not something we pursue ourselves, that we journey to attain.
I am reading EXACTLY what you are saying and taking it to its logical conclusion. You don't seem to comprehend that ANY actions on our part - save faith - is saying we HAVE our part in meriting salvation. You say one must show a "willingness to commit to a personal confession of Torah" (I don't recall you ever identifying what "Torah" means - the Ten Commandments? The Noahide laws? the 600+ Jewish laws?). Other works-based religions use similar terminology such as "cooperate with God's grace" or "after doing all we can do" to teach that it is something WE must do in order to deserve eternal life - something WE add to the work of Jesus Christ's sacrificial death on the cross. I think it is a rather insidious way to nullify the grace of God. Your words condemning what you call "easy believism" only serve to further identify your error and that of all other perversions of the gospel that, in the end, rely upon the works of man almost to the exclusion of Christ's salvific work in our place.
Yeshua would never have spoken the parable of the virgins if our entry to that feast was automatic, as most churchians seem to believe. We must “endure to the end” as we are told by Yeshua, Paul, Peter, and John numerous times. Peter’s second epistle describes the fate of those that lose faith before the end. The false prophets of Easy Believism will direct many to that outer darkness.
Jesus said HE is the bridegroom and the church is His bride. The "ten virgins" are obviously NOT the bride - more like bridesmaids - and are those that died prior to Christ's time and who believed in the ONE that would be the Lamb of God, the Messiah. As for "enduring to the end", we already know that what God has begun in us, HE will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ (see Philippians 1:6).
And, lest you also accuse of "cheap grace" - something Paul heard many times, too, when he preached the gospel - God's grace is not cheap, it cost the very life of His only begotten Son in our place. It's not cheap, but it IS a gift. One doesn't pay for a gift that has been given to them else it would cease to BE a gift and be instead a debt. The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord, it is NOT of works lest any man should boast. It sounds like you are boasting. Don't do that. Don't reject His gift by trying to add your own work to the mix. Good works are certainly something the Holy Spirit spurs in us so that our lives bring glory to God instead of shame upon the name of Christ, but these do NOT save us in the least. If righteousness comes by the law, Christ is dead in vain.
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>> “ANY actions on our part - save faith...” <<
You’ve missed it all!
You have no clue what faith even is.
Faith is what leads us to “faithfully” follow Torah, believing that all of the promises Yehova has made in his covenant will take us to our salvation at the day of trumpets.
There is nothing else.
“Believing” that Yeshua died for our sins is intellectual belief; the kind that Satan and his angels possess.
His apostles have told us that such belief is empty. WE need a much deeper belief; one that leads us to follow Yeshua in every step of his earthly life, obeying the Father’s commandments.
John explained this fully in his first epistle; you should read it (not just blindly scan it with your unrecording eyes).
Following the Father’s commandments is not “work,” it is belief,and faith.
Work is following the man made rituals of churchianity.
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When Paul says “The works of the Law,” he is speaking of the Takanot and Ma’assim of the Pharisees, always.
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Maybe in your case, but it sounds more like you're projecting and not understanding what saving faith is, the kind of belief that actually provides results.
Plus, you are in no position to judge whether someone's belief is intellectual assent or heart belief so you can't make blanket statements that someone's belief of God is ineffective in receiving salvation.
Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
If you don't think that believing is enough, it puts you at odds with God and what He told us in His word.
I'm choosing to side with God rather than some anonymous internet poster.
Nonsense. Jesus condemned the traditions of the scribes and pharisees and never their adherence to the Law.
The Law is the Law of God handed down to Moses on Mt Sinai. It is NOT the traditions of men, which Jesus distinguished between.
And Paul himself also distinguished between tradition and Law. He was a pharisee at one point. He knew what was meant by *Law*. Just because that doesn't fit the Hebrew roots movement nonsense doesn't mean they can go around can change the meaning of what was written in the NT Scripture.
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>> “Nonsense. Jesus condemned the traditions of the scribes and pharisees and never their adherence to the Law.” <<
Wow! Another klanger.
Adherance to what law?
The Pharisees replaced Torah with their own Takanot.
That, plus their Ma’assim constitutes “The Law of Works” that the apostles condemned in their epistles.
Tradition is simply how, specifically, Torah was carried out in their daily lives. The “Law of Works” went way beyond those traditions, invading the minutia of their daily lives in ways that “could not be borne.”
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Apparently, you not only missed it all, you have been fooled/bewitched into believing a lie - one that Paul dealt with all the time. His answer to those who would lead people astray with the leaven of the Pharisees is this:
I have repeatedly asked you to clarify what you specifically mean by "keeping Torah" and you continue to ignore the request. You assert the references to "the law" that Scripture again and again declares does NOT justify or save anyone, is the traditions and rules the religious class added to pervert God's commands and laws. Yet, that passage in Galatians I cited above where Paul states, "The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”, is talking about the very same laws and decrees the Lord gave to Moses as said in Leviticus 18:5, "Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord."
You should stop trying to pervert the Gospel of the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, by falsely portraying that what God has begun in us by means of the Spirit, is finished by means of the flesh. It is not - and NEVER was!
Following the Father’s commandments is not “work,” it is belief,and faith.
Finally, I certainly agree that the works God has created for us to walk in are accomplished through the Holy Spirit and can only be done in sincere faith. It is God working IN us to conform us into the image of Christ. But make no mistake, these works cannot and will not save us - no works do no matter how faithfully we live by them. Your teacher, Michael Rood, even dresses up like a Pharisee. That should tell you something. “Watch out; beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.", Jesus warned. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."
You are not the only one who has requested clarification and never received any.
As for Rood, well any grown man who plays dress us and thinks that that gives him more credibility has more than a few screws loose. He’s just plain kooky. Certainly certifiable.
And still, Jesus said that unless our righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and the Pharisees, we would not enter the kingdom of heaven.
He never accused them of not keeping the letter of the law, what was handed down by God to Moses. But they missed on the intent, and that’s what your adherence to Rood’s teachings and all this Hebrew Roots rot leads to. Outward adherence of the letter of the Law, which saves no one nor contributes to them attaining salvation.
You’ve been making distinctions between the Law and the traditions of the pharisees, labeling them both as Law, which Scripture NEVER does.
So where do your go to celebrate the Passover and have your lamb sacrificed? Where do you present your sin offerings? Your first fruit offerings?
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>> “He never accused them of not keeping the letter of the law” <<
In my Bible he devoted several chapters of the gospel of Matthew accusing them of total denial of the Torah.
Your Bible must be defective.
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Your pile of raging words appears to be designed as smoke.
Paul chided the Galatians for falling into Phariseeism, not for following Torah.
Phariseeism is in no way related to Torah. It is a completely man made religion that was an unbearable burden to the people. That was all that Paul was addressing.
There are no “Works” in Torah, it is his plan of righteousness for his elect. One who denies Torah is devoid of any shred of righteousness.
Read John’s first epistle. He makes it very plain that those that reject Torah are lost in sin, and have no truth in them.
Those that have faith follow Torah by nature.
Those that have no faith deny Torah by nature.
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