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You didn’t write that phrase. I did. It was from my own post #196 just before, where I was afraid in my response to your #195 you would take what I said as a rejection of general agreement with you.

Hey bro. I had my Greek friend take a look at some of this. Not only does he read and write Hebrew and Greek, but he grew up in Jerusalem, so he grew up speaking them, plus Arabic. He said your idea of fallen from counsels is dead right on. I thought it was amusing, because under the Hebrew was English, but Hebrew is read from right to left, and so was the English. I read the English from right to left also.
I had him look at the Greek, where the New Testament names the brothers of Jesus. Some FRiends try to say these were cousins. He just smiled and said NO. Cousin and brother are two different Greek words, just like they are two different English words. He said these "brothers" were from the same family, not cousins. In other words, imagine this, these were children of Mary and Joseph, after Joseph "knew" her (sexually) Mary had other kids.
I wanted your opinion though. What do you think it meant, when it says they were men of old, men of renown? What made them like that? Were all the fallen ones men of renown? Were there women of renown too? What's your take on it?

Regarding the initial topic of the thread, Ray Comfort is being used by The Holy Spirit to awaken the souls of many. It is GOD Who saves, so once awakened those souls are not abandoned by His Spirit. They get further guidance and come to a decision point that Ray will not know of until he is in the clouds and beyond with the rest of the Raptured Body of Christ believers.

You understand this much more deeply than the average FR poster on the religion forum, because God uses your posts the same way. I mention it because what is happening with Ray Comfort's witnessing is not understood by many who read these threads. As Paul wrote, one plants, another water, another harvests ...