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To: metmom
There are 4 women in Spiritual language in the Bible. Jezabel, the whore of Babylon( Catholics and all break off of it) in Rev, a divorced( Jews) or widow woman, and the Bride. The Bride is a virgin,...always. Any reference in the Bible of virgins is the church. God will not marry an adulterer. If you have other idols, your not a virgin.

The virgins are the church. I don't know how to make it more evident.

...."So your whole speculation falls apart."...Not hardly. You just want to argue if you can't get this. It is true He gives the gifts He wants to, but you can ask.

You do NOT have to speak in tongues to be saved, but you will have some gift of God or you couldn't do the works of God. We are made a little less than angels. If you have no Spiritual power, Satan will overcome you. Just as it says in Eph 6:18, It is part of the armor of God you need against the devil. If you are in a spiritual war, you need spiritual weapons.

Anyway, I can assure you it isn't fake. There may be some fakers, just as there is anywhere. Are there fakers in the catholic church molesting kids and fornicating with women? How about these Lutherans making fun of Pentecostals( of which I am not). Are there homosexual preachers marrying sodomites in their churches? If you can judge me by speaking in tongues, why can't I have a look at your practices? I'm just stating what the Bible says and you are trying to make God fit your box. Have you ever asked God to give you tongues? Have you ever tried to speak in tongues? If you don't speak in tongues, what gift did the Spirit give you? Tongues is the least of the gifts, but it is a gift. When you lay hands on a Baptist and they hit the ground, are they faking? When you anoint lay hands on a Baptist preachers wife and she is healed of Pancreatitis after suffering for 10 months, is she faking? If you aren't seeing God work, maybe you are in the wrong neighborhood. If you don't believe in healing, why pray? Prophesy, tongues, Word of knowledge, ect are all fake, but you pray for healing? Why bother if it's fake.

23 posted on 09/22/2016 6:40:58 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Almost every Pentecostal I have ever met has God fit in their own box as well. One that says He must give tongues to everyone.

1 Corinthians 12:4-11 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

1 Corinthians 12:27-31 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the higher gifts.

And I will show you a still more excellent way.

And the very next line says.....

1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

Imagine that. Paul then goes on to say........

1 Corinthians 14:1-25 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played? And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church.

Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers.If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds? But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all, the secrets of his heart are disclosed, and so, falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you.

The FRUIT of the Spirit is the true evidence of the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer as it is the manifestation of the life of Christ.

the gifts are tools to be used by the believer for the edification of the church body, NOT the individual, and do not produce character or Christlikeness in the life of the one doing the speaking.

26 posted on 09/22/2016 10:41:02 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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