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To: omegatoo
"If both spouses believed in the permanence of Catholic marriage at the time of the vows, at least on those grounds the marriage is valid and sacramental, and annulment will not be granted regardless of someone changing their mind later and obtaining a civil divorce."

What if there is adultery and abandonment? Guess what, the victim of adultery and abandonment will still have to go through a frustrating process if they want to marry again (Which btw, Jesus explicitly allows the victim). Did God need an annulment when the Israelites committed spiritual adultery?

"And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also." -Jeremiah 3:8
58 posted on 08/23/2016 4:12:52 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Yes, in the case of adultery and abandonment there will have to be an annulment process. And yes, it is frustrating at times, and yes it is difficult, but it shouldn’t be easy. And no, there is no guarantee that an annulment will be granted even under those circumstances, if neither spouse had a ‘defect’ which made the vows untruthful or made them otherwise incapable of entering into a sacramental union at the time of the marriage.

The actions that happen after the vows are not by themselves proof of invalidity, but again, at some point one spouse decided that marriage was not permanent or didn’t require fidelity to the spouse, so annulment will try to determine if that state of mind was present at the vows or not.

Also, not every marriage where there is infidelity or even temporary abandonment is hopeless, some people are able to reconcile, so automatically declaring a marriage ended because of these things doesn’t always make sense.

If there is not a formal process by the church in which a person is married, how else is a church marriage ended? Can anyone simply say, ‘my spouse cheated so now I am no longer married’? What if the cheating spouse truly regrets what happened and wants to reconcile? Who arbitrates? Does a civil divorce end church marriages? Are Christian marriages no different than civil marriages? As a Catholic, I can’t imagine a less formal way of dealing with this which would not be extremely inconsistent and confusing.

Love,
O2


61 posted on 08/23/2016 5:17:44 PM PDT by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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