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To: daniel1212

Your comment: “Which reasoning supports rejecting the example of David and water being blood, and many others as being figurative. “

I disagree. I understand and accept the words of Jesus. He was very clear on the meaning.

Just because you can’t accept the actual words and meaning of the Word or Jesus Christ doesn’t make your spin and personal interpretation the Truth from God.

You either believe that Christ spoke the Truth or you do not believe. It does require Faith in Jesus.

At Mass the priest does exactly what Christ told him to do at the Last Supper. He does not say, “This is Christ’s body,” but “This is my body.” These words produce the whole substance of Christ’s body. In the same way the words of consecration produce the whole substance of Christ’s blood. They are Christ’s body and blood, as they are now living in heaven. There, in heaven, his body and blood are united with his soul and Godhead. The accidents or appearances of his human body are in heaven too. They are present, therefore, in the Holy Eucharist.

Peace be with you.


532 posted on 08/23/2016 7:19:46 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
These words produce the whole substance of Christ’s body. In the same way the words of consecration produce the whole substance of Christ’s blood. They are Christ’s body and blood, as they are now living in heaven. There, in heaven, his body and blood are united with his soul and Godhead. The accidents or appearances of his human body are in heaven too. They are present, therefore, in the Holy Eucharist.

Now you can plainly see that what you have written is of your own understanding of what you have been told is happening and is not to be found in any instructions from Jesus of Nazareth or any of the Apostle's writings/sayings...the Bible.

And there is the rub with the parties involved in this hit-piece of a thread. "Holy Eucharist" is a non-Scriptural phrase and is a concept not ordained or even found in the Holy Bible and, most plainly in the rcc's mangled interpretation of what Jesus plainly said and which has been confirmed in multiple posts on this thread alone.

One could make an entire renegade Christian sect out of such a doctrine as you espouse. And, apparently, a well-populated sect.
537 posted on 08/23/2016 7:43:52 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: ADSUM
He also calls Him down from Heaven to be placed upon the altar a thousand times and Jesus humbly does what the priest says to do according to Catholic priest John O'Brien in the Faith of Millions.

All of which flies against Hebrews 9 (IIRC) that notes Christ is a one time sacrifice.

And He's still seated at the Father's side. He has not left Heaven and does not do so to be sacrificed again.

540 posted on 08/23/2016 12:32:16 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM; daniel1212
Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. (John 6:35,36)

You either believe that Christ spoke the Truth or you do not believe. It does require Faith in Jesus.

568 posted on 08/23/2016 5:02:15 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ADSUM; Iscool; HossB86; metmom; ealgeone; daniel1212; mdmathis6; imardmd1; amihow; Legatus
IF you knew your BIBLE better, you would know that The Body JESUS now has in HEAVEN is a glorified body that does not use blood to distribute the life of HIM.

Sometimes I think you are educated, other times you show you are not educated by The Word of GOD.

The life of the creature is in the blood. The blood is not the life, the life is in the blood.

The blood from the creature body of the human Jesus was taken to Heaven and sprinkled on the Mercy Seat for you and for me. Read what Paul tells his readers about that.

GOD has a different method by which HE distributes LIFE to the glorified body, and those in Christ will be transformed in an instant from corruptible bodies with blood carrying the life, to incorruptible body not using blood to distribute the glorified body LIFE. You can read about that in the Bible, especially in The Revelation.

Your Catholic Mass is a carnal event. JESUS is no longer in a carnal body. The REAL PRESENCE of Jesus when two or more are gathered in HIS name is Spiritual. God is Spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and truth.

579 posted on 08/23/2016 6:09:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: ADSUM; Resettozero
I disagree. I understand and accept the words of Jesus. He was very clear on the meaning.

What kind of response is that? You are merely reiterating your argument by assertion, which I countered, and repeating the same claim is simply begging the question.

Just because you can’t accept the actual words and meaning

More of the same, which i can charge you with, and as concerns David, but mine is based upon abundant substantiation that Christ was not speaking literally, and which Catholics do not truly take as such.

You either believe that Christ spoke the Truth or you do not believe. It does require Faith in Jesus.

Why are you simply repeating what I refuted by God's grace? It makes you look like a cultist who cannot read what refute him and must engage in soliloquy in order to maintain his delusion.

604 posted on 08/23/2016 7:18:56 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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