Truly, Truly, you are just like the other non believers that walked away from the Words of Jesus and say that they aren’t true.
Yes the righteous Words of Jesus that you either believe or walk away from.
For 2000 years many millions of Catholics (and even Luther) believe in the TRANSUBSTANATION.
Notice that Jesus made no attempt to soften what he said, no attempt to correct “misunderstandings,” for there were none. Our Lord’s listeners understood him perfectly well. They no longer thought he was speaking metaphorically. If they had, if they mistook what he said, why no correction?
On other occasions when there was confusion, Christ explained just what he meant (cf. Matt. 16:5–12). Here, where any misunderstanding would be fatal, there was no effort by Jesus to correct. Instead, he repeated himself for greater emphasis.
In John 6:60 we read: “Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, ‘This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?’” These were his disciples, people used to his remarkable ways. He warned them not to think carnally, but spiritually: “It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life” (John 6:63; cf. 1 Cor. 2:12–14).
But he knew some did not believe. (It is here, in the rejection of the Eucharist, that Judas fell away; look at John 6:64.) “After this, many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him” (John 6:66).
This is the only record we have of any of Christ’s followers forsaking him for purely doctrinal reasons. If it had all been a misunderstanding, if they erred in taking a metaphor in a literal sense, why didn’t he call them back and straighten things out? Both the Jews, who were suspicious of him, and his disciples, who had accepted everything up to this point, would have remained with him had he said he was speaking only symbolically.
But he did not correct these protesters. Twelve times he said he was the bread that came down from heaven; four times he said they would have “to eat my flesh and drink my blood.” John 6 was an extended promise of what would be instituted at the Last Supper—and it was a promise that could not be more explicit.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/christ-in-the-eucharist
Be sure to read Hebrews 11:
26* s If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.t 28Anyone who rejects the law of Moses* is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.u 29Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace?v 30
Again as stated in the Bible which you agree in inspired by the Holy Spirit and clearly states a much worse punishment for one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood (Eucharist).
He didn’t stop the rich young ruler from walking away either after telling him to seek everything. Do we have to sell everything to have salvation??
There has to be a better way of doing this.
We've got to stop talking everyone else out of the fold. I understand the temptation but it really is getting beyond ugly. I know we have sharp theological differences represented on the RF but surely we have to get to the point where if someone claims to believe in Our Lord, everyone can accept that claim at face value without this "You don't believe in MY Jesus" silliness.
Speculation on your part they would have remained with Him.
One can argue the reason they walked away would be His statements in 6:64-65 which would be more in line with the remainder of John 6:26-69.
If you want to take 6:53-57 as literal then you also have to take 6:35 as literal as well when Jesus says whoever comes to Him will not hunger nor thirst.
Do you get hungry? Thirsty?
I bet you had breakfast and lunch so far today and probably will have dinner in a bit.
So obviously Jesus is not talking about literally eating and drinking His flesh and blood. We have no passages in the NT that tell us the bread and wine are somehow transformed into literal flesh and blood.
Further, the whole concept of the Mass as a sacrifice goes against the NT where we are told His death was a ONE TIME sacrifice for our sins. The catholic mass is a continuation of the sacrifice based on catholicism's own writings.
If you want to make 6:53-57 literal you have to make John 4:7-14 literal also. This is the account of Jesus and the Samaritan woman.
13Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; 14but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.” John 4:13-14
Do you get thirsty?
Do you have a literal well of water that springs up in you?
No. Of course not.
John 6 is NOT about the Last supper.
Did Jesus command people to break the Law?
If He did, then He was a Law breaker and therefore sinned.
It cannot mean literal flesh and blood because then He would not have been the sinless lamb of God who took away the sins of the world.
He Himself said that He came not to do away with the Law but to fulfill it. That would include NOT eating blood which was forbidden throughout Scripture.
It's the SPIRIT who gives life, the flesh is no help at all.
The prohibition against eating blood is one of the few prohibitions issued at the Council at Jerusalem by the Holy Spirit.
God cannot deny Himself and has not changed His mind about eating blood.
Don't eat the blood, the life is in the blood
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Leviticus 7:26-27 Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.”
Leviticus 17:10-14 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
“Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 19:26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Matthew 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Mark 14:25 Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Luke 22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Jesus Himself here tells us that it's not by eating that life is given. It's by the Spirit.
And once again, the Body Jesus now occupies IN HEAVEN is a glorifed body. It is the creature/carnal body which has the life of the creature distributed by the blood. The blood is not The Life. THE LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD. The blood Jesus had in His creature body was sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat, to cover the sins of the world. You will never rank so important that you can drink the actual blood of the Creature Jesus to get His soul and divinity in you. That is the CATHOLIC blasphemy ... and yes, I reject that completely. I do, however, break bread and sip a fine wine IN REMEMBRANCE of the work JESUS did for you and me. He is my Lord and Savior, not my snack for re-upping.
“For 2000 years many millions of Catholics (and even Luther) believe in the TRANSUBSTANATION.”
Just a mild correction - Luther/Lutherans do not believe in transubstantiation. We do accept the real presence of Christ physically in the Eucharist. This is supported both Biblically and by the writings of the Church Fathers:
“1] Of the Sacrament of the Altar we hold that bread and wine in the Supper are the true body and blood of Christ, and are given and received not only by the godly, but also by wicked Christians.” Smallcald Articles, Part 3, Article 4.
However, the concept of transubstantiation is not accepted by Luther or Lutherans (or Eastern Orthodox, as I understand it, one may correct me if I’m wrong there), which we feel to be no more than sophist mumbo-jumbo.
“5] As regards transubstantiation, we care nothing about the sophistical subtlety by which they teach that bread and wine leave or lose their own natural substance, and that there remain only the appearance and color of bread, and not true bread. For it is in perfect agreement with Holy Scriptures that there is, and remains, bread, as Paul himself calls it, 1 Cor. 10:16: The bread which we break. And 1 Cor. 11:28: Let him so eat of that bread.” - Smallcald Articles, Part 3, Article 4.