Posted on 08/09/2016 2:36:09 PM PDT by ebb tide
Hong Kongs retired bishop Joseph Zen Ze-kiun said on Monday that allowing the Chinese government to appoint Catholic bishops in the popes stead would mean surrender.
The statement came after the citys current bishop, John Tong Hon, said last Friday that the Chinese government and Vatican are in dialogue to discuss the contentious issue of appointing bishops in China.
The official Catholic church of China is currently run by the government-controlled Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, which appoints its own bishops, whereas the Vatican insists on its right to appoint bishops in the region, prompting the creation of underground churches which swear allegiance only to the pope, according to Agence France-Presse.
To officially let [the Chinese government] manage the church? That would mean surrender, Zen told Apple Daily.
Once the relationship has been established, what then? When the pope visits China, and the [central government] selects only the obedient people to meet the pope, what then for those belonging to the underground churches? he added.
Formerly the bishop of Hong Kong before retiring in 2009, Cardinal Zen weighed in on the idea of applying Vietnams method of selecting bishops in China.
I support the method of letting the Vietnamese bishop and the Catholic church select [their candidates] and then letting the government approve the decision, because their bishop is truly one of our people their conference of bishops is legitimate, said Zen. Chinas conference of bishops is practically non-existent it is completely under the governments control how can we let them pick? he added.
Last Friday, cardinal Tong said that many individuals from around the world who care about the Chinese Catholic church had raised concerns over the development of dialogue between the Chinese government and Vatican. He said some resorted to cursing and insults when questioning whether officials from the Vatican or the pope had violated the churchs principles.
Tong added that the pope would only sign agreements which advances the merging between the two types of Catholic churches in China.
People misunderstood the situation. [Tong] was not talking about me it is not good to wrong him, said Zen, who previously criticised the Vatican for remaining silent over the Chinese cardinal Thaddeus Ma Daqins sudden change of opinion towards the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.
Zen said that he believes Tong was responding to mainland internet users who had criticised the pope. He added that it is normal for Tong to be more optimistic towards the dialogue and for him to be more pessimistic about it.
According to officials from the Catholic church, there are currently 110 bishops in China. While most of these bishops have been sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party, there are up to 30 who still operate in underground churches which pledge allegiance only to the pope, reported Reuters.
While most of the bishops recognised by central government had also received a blessing from Vatican, there are eight who were either excommunicated or informally told that the pope was opposed to their appointments as bishops.
To officially let [the Chinese government] manage the church? That would mean surrender, Zen told Apple Daily.”
Yep. “Render to Caesar”, etc.
The state doesn’t rule the church, and the church should resist.
Persecution is better than contamination and infiltration.
everything literally is going to hell in a handbasket...every facet of our lives is being destroyed...
Neo-Gallicanism. Francis needs to apologize for the excommunication of Henry VIII . . . maybe even beatify him.
He’ll do that next year in Sweden.
LOL! Great comment! And why not make a nice ecumenical gesture and elevate Prince Charles to the cardinalate! Maybe Queen Elizabeth can be ordained the first female deacon?
Cardinal Zen is a living saint who has risked his life to defend the Church in communist China. Benedict as pope was very concerned about this state dominance of religion, and I cannot imagine he feels passive about the current pope weakening the traditional position of the Vatican.
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