Posted on 08/08/2016 2:14:55 PM PDT by NYer
Ealgeone Know this You have heard from various Catholics about their personnel prayers of intersession, you have been told and shown Church Doctrine and scripture it is based on. Yet You and Others Continually ignore Documented Truth and First hand Facts from individuals and You continually ignore or call them liars while grasp at straw figures you cannot name. If you know of an individual that worship anyone other than God as God then Please let them know they are in Error, Just as I and Others have tried time and time again with you and others. It seems there are numerous individuals who have issues with Truth and Documentation and love to just repeat the same ad nauseam disagreements on an almost daily bases. This is your choice but it is being done far from a Humble mindset or with a true and honest goal of Seeking Truth.
To my Catholic friends out there it is Good you Stand up for your Faith but remember when Jesus sent the Apostles out he told them if they were rejected to shake off the dust on their feet as you leave. He followed up by saying “Truly, I say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomor’rah than for that town.” Thus it was a curse of a sort in that they are doomed due to their own sins and reluctance if not arrogance to Seek Truth and serve God.
Ealgeone To this there is an answer that many have failed to do but I will remind them, I say to you, Let him be an Anathema, you may go your way in error to your own souls pearl, I have done what I am called to do and warned you.
http://lonelypilgrim.com/2013/06/03/let-him-be-anathema-not-what-many-protestants-think-it-means/
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/does-the-church-condemn-those-who-disagree-with-its-teachings
You disagree with Catholic doctrine.
Catholic doctrine about the Blessed Mother is well established.
The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what “immaculate” means: without stain. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings.
Your arguments are on the side of devil. Why are the protestors so negative (just like the media) about your beliefs and so anti-Catholic? It seems that you focus on what you do not understand or believe.
You are welcome to learn about the Catholic Faith through the RCIA program at any parish.
Not according to the catholic encyclopedia online it isn't!
You better contact the editors.
btw...I see you used another title not accorded to Mary in the Word.
From the catholic encyclopedia online:
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.
The Catholic Encyclopedia is the most comprehensive resource on Catholic teaching, history, and information ever gathered in all of human history.
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/
Catholicism's own sources contradict themselves. Yet catholics like to ignore this.
As for me, I'm placing my trust in Jesus as He told us to.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." John 5:24
I'm trusting Him He will honor His promise.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6
30Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31
You can't appeal to momma, your brother, your sister, your aunt, any departed saint to help you with this. You cannot appeal to the false apparitions claiming if you wear the brown scapular you will avoid the hell fire.
The only appeal for eternal life is through Christ and Christ alone.
He is the One Mediator, Advocate and Redeemer for our sins.
There are NO others. No co-redeemers, no mediatrixes.
The question for anyone reading this thread....will you take Him at His word and believe Him as noted in John 5:24?
Well stated. Thanks.
I do try to ignore them, but want others to have the chance to learn about Catholic teachings. I keep learning from their ignorance.
On Sat. there's also a Vigil Mass at 5:00 pm in the Sanctuary (w/ Sunday readings) and on Sunday, 8:00 am, 10:00 am, and 12 Noon.
There's a Mass at the East Tennessee State University Cath Center, at the Washington County Jail, at the Asbury Nursing Home, at Scotts' Strawberry Farm (when the migrant workers are there) and at the VA chapel (Mountain Home USVA Hospital/Hospice center, for the veterans) sometime on the weekend, not sure of the hours.
There's a Nuptial Masses and Funeral Masses, for those occasions.
Then there are these other services or prayer groups--- which don't involve a Mass --- some in the Sanctuary or the Day Chapel, during the week:
So, bottom line: there's lots of Masses that aren't at the Church, and lots of payer activities at Church that are not the Mass.
There's no place in the Bible, BTW, where it says the "Lord's Supper" is supposed to be "annual."
"Payer" = "prayer" in my last remarks.
No, we don't have to "pay" so don't try riffin' off that!
Nothing to do with the original Post or Our conversation, so Quit the diversions and enjoy your journey.
You literally made up things that were not in the example passages. I pointed these out to you more than once. It appears it is you that won't accept what God actually said.
You could accept and understand the full meaning of Christ’s teachings, and not just the protestors version.
I've nothing to protest. Protesting is so 16th Century, bro.
The full meaning of Christ's teachings - all necessary for salvation and maturity is found in His Holy Word.
The book of Revelation is especially helpful in dealing with this, since it describes people in heaven who are aware of the happenings on earth (Rev. 6:11; 7:13–14).
These passages refer specifically to the final days which remain in the future. There is no evidence in this passage that supports your claims that people in heaven know what is happening on earth today.
Those in heaven are part of the mystical body of Christ, and have not been separated from us by death.
This is a misunderstanding of Scripture. All believers of all time are baptized into the Body of Christ. They are never separated from Him. For a short time, we are separated by physical death from the departed.
Thus, the angels and saints stand before the throne of God, offer our prayers to him, and cheer us on as we run the good race.
Not Biblical either amigo.
"I pray to the saints and the Blessed Mother to honor God and do His will so that all will do the will of the Father and join Him in everlasting life.
And I point out that despite your sincerity, dear Mary cannot hear you, nor can the saints. I also add for your blessing that eternal life comes from entrusting yourself entirely to Christ and His sacrifice for your sins and not from anything you can do.
God’s Peace be with you.
And also to you.
There is, thankfully, a difference between roman catholicism and Christianity. You illustrate that by your emphasis on “Catholic” teaching vs Christian teaching.
You state with confidence so many things that are absolutely false. An Angel IS a saint. Your confusion stems from the fact that you do not know what a saint is.
Perhaps your confusion is you don't know what an angel is.
You attempted to say I was "anathema" to which I replied how one can have eternal life through faith in Christ and Christ alone.
I'll restate it is only through Him that we have eternal life.
We do not seek it from Mary nor her assistance in this. We can appeal straight to Christ.
My question still remains to anyone.....do you believe the promise Christ made in John 5:24?
Re-naming the Passover meal to Lord's supper gets out from under THAT requirement!
LUKE 22:7
Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed. 8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat." 9 So they said to him, "Where do you want us to prepare?" 10 And he said to them, "Behold, when you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house which he enters. 11 Then you shall say to the master of the house, 'The Teacher says to you, "Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?"' 12 Then he will show you a large, furnished upper room; there make ready." 13 So they went and found it just as he had said to them, and they prepared the Passover. 14 When the hour had come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15 Then he said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." (NKJV)
Prove it!
Or the answer to the men who asked Him a direct question in John 6:29??
This particular hybrid is not the Mass, by the way, nor does it claim to be.
In the Apostles' time, the Eucharistic celebration was usually celebrated on the first day of the week (Sunday). It was not known as "Passover" or "Seder" but as "the Breaking of the Bread."
Acts 2:42
They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers.
Acts 2:46
Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes.
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread...
Some Catholics (I'm not one of them) celebrate a Christinized version of a Seder Meal once a year at Passover time. This is not a historically Catholic ritual and I do not participate.
This particular hybrid is not the Mass, by the way, nor does it claim to be.
In the Apostles' time, the Eucharistic celebration was usually celebrated on the first day of the week (Sunday). It was not known as "Passover" or "Seder" but as "the Breaking of the Bread."
Acts 2:42
They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers.
Acts 2:46
Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes.
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we gathered to break bread...
Sure...a Saint is a “sanctified” entity. Saint comes from Sanctus, a Latin word.
We've done this a few times at my church as well.
AFAIK; my denomination - Wesleyan; has no position on it one way or another.
It's something my pastor chooses to do.
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