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VP Biden officiated at “same-sex wedding”. Where are his pastors?
WDTPRS ^ | August 4, 2016 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 08/04/2016 3:11:37 PM PDT by NYer

The other day, pro-abortion, “practicing Catholic”, democrat Vice President Joe Biden performed a same-sex civil “marriage”.

In effect, Biden gave the digitus infamis to the Catholic Church.

Canonist Ed Peters has observations about this scandalous flipping of the proverbial bird.  HERE

Some canonical thoughts VP Biden’s recent deed

[After discussion of why excommunication doesn’t apply in this case….]

But if canonical criminal law as found in Book Six of the Code is not (at least not immediately) useful against Biden’s affront to Christ’s and the Church’s teaching on marriage, canonical sacramental law as found in Book Four of the Code, especially Canon 915 therein, could be useful against Biden’s scandal. Canon 915, recall, directs ministers of holy Communion to withhold that most August sacrament from those who “obstinately persevere in manifest grave sin”.  [What Biden did is gravely sinful and it is manifest and he obstinately perseveres in supporting “gay” (I hate the twisting of that word) “marriage” (and it isn’t marriage in any true sense of the term.  For some of Biden’s history on this issue HERE.]

Let’s be clear: Canon 915 is a sacramental disciplinary norm. As such, Canon 915 is not a response to canonically criminal behavior but rather it looks primarily to address the classical scandal (CCC 2284-2287) given by one’s on-going, public, objectively evil conduct. [That describes Biden’s public behavior.] Now, standing alone, a single, albeit grave, affront to Church teaching (such as voluntarily assisting at one “same-sex wedding”) would not suffice to trigger Canon 915 (which looks for, among other things, perseverance in evil conduct), but it would certainly qualify as an especially egregious manifestation of one’s general contempt for Church teaching, a contempt that might have been demonstrated in other behaviors such as, say, on-going political support for “same-sex marriage”, and, for that matter, for legalized abortion, and so on. [See the link, above.]

Now, setting aside a very few 915 cases that could be decided on the spot (see my discussion of Canons 230/915, here), before being visited with the consequences of Canon 915, a Catholic should be formally confronted by the competent ecclesiastical authority about why holy Communion is going to be henceforth withheld and the steps required for readmission to the Sacrament explained. [That would be the Archbishop of Washington DC, where Biden lives.  It could also possibly be the Bishop of Wilmington, since Biden is from Delaware.] I am not aware, however, of any Catholic official with canonical-pastoral authority over Biden who has ever made such contact with him. Still, whatever pastoral failing that past lack of formal contact might represent, it does not preclude their discussing his situation with him now.

And Joseph Biden, I would say, stands in obvious need of such outreach.

Can. 915.  Now.



TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: biden; catholic; gay; homosexualagenda; marriage; religiousleft
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1 posted on 08/04/2016 3:11:37 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 08/04/2016 3:11:58 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

He’s on the down low with the Black Pope. The head of the Jesuits.


3 posted on 08/04/2016 3:13:03 PM PDT by Vic S ( David Rockefeller killed Larry McDonald (KAL 007))
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To: NYer

Where are his pastors?

Cashing his checks $ $ $


4 posted on 08/04/2016 3:14:31 PM PDT by Dacula (Southern lives matter!)
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To: NYer
VP Biden officiated at “same-sex wedding”. Where are his pastors?

They're right here:


5 posted on 08/04/2016 3:16:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: NYer

Who gave Biden the right to marry people?
Does he have a Divinity Degree like Gov. Jerry Brown?
I tend to doubt it. Biden doesn’t strike me as terribly studious about anything except maybe some lovely lady standing there helpless and unescorted right in front of him.


6 posted on 08/04/2016 3:16:31 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: NYer
Here he is with the happy couple.


7 posted on 08/04/2016 3:16:31 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: NYer

To hell with all the canons and their interpretation, he gave scandal. Excommunication, plain and simple. And if his jerked “bishop” goes along with this, a plague on both of them.


8 posted on 08/04/2016 3:17:59 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NYer
"We don't need no steenkin' pastors!"


9 posted on 08/04/2016 3:20:31 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: NYer

Silly, you seem to be operating under some strange theory that says people like Biden have to follow ordinary rules and laws.


10 posted on 08/04/2016 3:20:50 PM PDT by bigbob (The Hillary indictment will have to come from us.)
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To: NYer

his priest and bishop (so far anyway) appear to be nowhere to be found

just like Nancy the Baby Murdering Pelosi’s priest and bishop

in other words, the RCC in America is very, very sick

(as are many “liberal” Protestant and Jewish congregations)

it just seems a bit more surprising and disappointing when a hierarchial church (which is supposed to benefit from its several levels of ‘managerial’ clergy) goes off the rails


11 posted on 08/04/2016 3:31:00 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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Dear Catholic Church,
RATs don't follow any rules.
Love,
Joe
12 posted on 08/04/2016 3:33:27 PM PDT by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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To: NYer
Now, setting aside a very few 915 cases that could be decided on the spot (see my discussion of Canons 230/915, here), before being visited with the consequences of Canon 915, a Catholic should be formally confronted by the competent ecclesiastical authority about why holy Communion is going to be henceforth withheld and the steps required for readmission to the Sacrament explained. [That would be the Archbishop of Washington DC, where Biden lives. It could also possibly be the Bishop of Wilmington, since Biden is from Delaware.]

And it just so happens that that "supposedly compentant" ecclesiastical authority, Donna Cardinal Wuerl, the Archbishop of Washington DC, has just been elevated to Francis' Congregration for Bishops. Cardinal Burke having been removed at the same announcement.

13 posted on 08/04/2016 3:41:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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Another day, another scandal. It's almost impossible to keep track of them all. Female deacons.........same sex marriage......Francis yapping on an airplane......

The insane and bizarre have become part of the daily routine in the Church.

14 posted on 08/04/2016 3:52:31 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: NYer

Excommunicate him.He’s a disgrace.


15 posted on 08/04/2016 3:54:06 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Menehune56

They look like twins.


16 posted on 08/04/2016 3:55:18 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: NYer
Did he invoke Prima Nocta?

Or was it two women?

17 posted on 08/04/2016 3:58:38 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Menehune56
I've seen people even on FR saying, "If it's family, just go to the same-sex wedding. Have a good time."

Man, funk dat!
18 posted on 08/04/2016 4:04:18 PM PDT by Rastus (#NeverHillary #AlwaysTrump)
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To: NYer

If the two twinks Biden “married” showed up at a Catholic Church next Sunday, and were denied Communion, Cardinal Wuerl would suspend the priest and expel him from the archdiocese.


19 posted on 08/04/2016 4:04:54 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Dacula

Biden? Checks? He doesn’t give to the Church or anything else!


20 posted on 08/04/2016 4:06:04 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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