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No, it is the RCC that has set up Mary as a rival or alternative to Christ.

The RCC calls Mary Advocate, Co-Redemtrix and Mediatrix when these are not found in the NT in reference to Mary. These titles are reserved for Christ and the Holy Spirit as Redeemer, Advocate and Mediator.

Too many catholic writers have made it clear the catholic is to rely upon Mary for their salvation, answered prayers when Jesus won't answer, forgiveness of sins, etc. when there is nothing in the NT that indicates we are to pray to Mary or rely upon her for salvation, forgiveness of sins, etc.

Catholics like to hold up the apparitions of Fatima and the other marian apparitions until the details of these are brought to light and then the catholic likes to cite private revelation and that the catholic is not under obligation to believe the messages.

The Christian understands this and rejects this false narrative of Mary as promulgated by the RCC.

Your method here, ealgeone, is twisty-tailed around from the git-go, because you persist in telling FReeper Catholics what they believe, rather than asking what they believe. That, by the way, is why your method always fails, That is why Catholics never respond by saying, "Oh, yeah, what an insight! I see the light!" Because you keep selecting, arranging, shading and framing your own picture of the Catholic Faith, rather than patiently *inquiring* about the Catholic Faith as it is.

It's as if one were to issue a critique of Shakespeare called, "Othello the Prince of Denmark, Indiana, at the Asylum at Charenton-om-Avon," --- and refuse any correction because there were *some* elements of you the Bard there (quoted verbatim) (verbatim!)so this must be real, authentic Shakespeareanism.

So you jump into a thread about an entirely different topic (the shuttering of a heretical Episcopalian seminary--- nothing to do with devotion to Mary) and you do your routine Mary-baiting which we've read here so often we could write it ourselves.

It's beyond tedious.