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To: imardmd1

I don’t think there is such a thing as a fake Christian.

As a Methodist, I believe people can fall from Grace but they are not Christians at that point. They have abandoned the faith


145 posted on 07/24/2016 4:31:31 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: AppyPappy; pinochet; MHGinTN
I don’t think there is such a thing as a fake Christian.

Bible truths are not based on what you think, but on spiritual discernment, which is taking Scripture at face value whether it is couched in literal language or figurative-literal language, no matter what your previous assumptions have been.

As a Methodist, I believe people can fall from Grace but they are not Christians at that point. They have abandoned the faith.

But as a confirmed member of the Methodist Church, in fact you believe that Methodists also can fall from grace into Hell, by preference of sinning rather than obeying Jesus, don't you? (If not, you fibbed when you were confirmed and accepted into membership.)

That's because your denomination subscribes to the standard (non-Jakob-Arminius) contrived Wesleyan Holiness Arminian view that you can lose your salvation.

As a converted, regenerated Methodist PK, saved at the age of 34, I can tell you that if you think you can lose your salvation, either you already have and cannot get it back again (Heb. 6:4-6), or the person "losing his faith" never really committed to it from the get-go. And total commitment is really the thrust of the true Gospel.

The original ground for Wesleyan doctrine of depending on Scripture, experience, tradition, and human reasonings (The Quadrilateral)(click here) was not much different than the Anglican/Roman Catholic concept of theological foundations. Which leaves one with the fact that three sides of the argument is human-based, rather than depending on Christ alone for salvation.

Subscribing to that automatically means that the supplicant is not willing to leave it all behind and cling to the Christ of the Cross alone--which is the absolute non-negotiable Scriptural basis for eternal life in Him.

I know you're not going to like this, but your mindset strongly indicates that you might not be or never were saved. Even mentioning Methodism in the same breath as eternal salvation causes the true Christian to take in his breath sharply.

Sorry to have to break this news to you, but I'd advise that without further ado that you take into account very seriously 2 Corinthians 13:5:

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

Here's a link that might help you with that exercise:

http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=21546

Two Scripture passages come to mind for you and for the initial poster "pinochet":

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and
broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many
there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which
leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
thorns, or figs of thistles?" (Mt. 7:13-16 AV; my emphasis by bolding).

Are you following the obvious fruits of Methodism and its leadership?

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and
mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters,
yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me,
cannot be my disciple. . . .
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all
that he hath, he cannot be my disciple" (Lk. 14:26,27,33 AV; again,
my bolding to emphasize).

That means leaving anything in the world you hold dear, even your own physical life, and clinging to Him alone. Have you contemplated and accepted that?

It is, indeed, pretty awesome.

As Jesus says, most will not.

Q. E. D.

(Acts 14:22, 2 Tim. 1:12)

146 posted on 07/24/2016 6:24:22 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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