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To: mrobisr
Show me in the OT where YHWH calls His faith that was in Abraham, Judaism? Abraham did not obey men, he did not attend synagogue in order to understand our Creator's instructions (Torah).

HINT: If it has an “ism” or “ianity” at the end of it, IT IS a man made religion that has taken His pure instructions and added heavy burdens to them which then takes away the freedom of the people to worship Him in Spirit & Truth as it was in the beginning, as it was for our father Abraham!!!

Judaism: “of Judah” : 2Kg 17:19 Yehudah, also did not guard the commands of YHWH their Elohim, but walked in the statutes (chuqqah:laws, appointments, ordinances, custom, traditions) of Yisrael which they made.

LONG before Babylon, Judah had already conspired to usurp the authority of YHWH by the "chuqqah" that she had made which today we know as "Judaism"!!!

Shalom

68 posted on 07/26/2016 10:00:07 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledgee chosen to participate inthat is - 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin
Abraham did not obey men, he did not attend synagogue in order to understand our Creator's instructions (Torah).

No he did not, in fact he used his reasoning to unravel the truth about his biological father's idol worship, and teachings.

Truth is highly prized by the creator of us all (as well as obedience). Find truth and you will find him. Obey and you will be rewarded accordingly. These are not my assumptions, this is what scripture tells us; both history and current events prove it to be true.

72 posted on 07/26/2016 12:00:27 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: patlin

You still haven’t answered the Zachariah 14 question which was what this conversation started as.

“Show me in the OT where YHWH calls His faith that was in Abraham, Judaism?

You know good and well that he is called a Hebrew which came to be used interchangeable with Jew and no one not even Christ said that was incorrect.

“Abraham did not obey men, he did not attend synagogue in order to understand our Creator’s instructions (Torah).”

What Church did Jesus Christ attend?

Oh wait He didn’t, He attended and taught in those Synagogues and followed the law perfectly and showed us why Abraham had so much faith in the coming Messiah. He criticized those Jewish leaders for following tradition (Mark 7:13) and not following the laws of God. He consistently criticized the Jews for not having faith (Matt 17:17) in the Messiah (faith of Abraham) John 8:56

“Judaism = oral law/traditions”

You do realize that Judah came well before Moses right? You realize that Jesus was a Jew right? You realize that all the oracles of God came through the Jews right?

“HINT: If it has an “ism” or “ianity” at the end of it, IT IS a man made religion that has taken His pure instructions and added heavy burdens to them which then takes away the freedom of the people to worship Him in Spirit & Truth as it was in the beginning, as it was for our father Abraham!!!”

Just because Judaism turned wrong over the years doesn’t mean that it started that way. By your definition then Christianity is all wrong because of the great falling away or jw’s, mormons, and rcc that have twisted Scripture into something that it is not.

“ianity”

Christianity is the true relationship of people with God through Jesus Christ Acts 11:26.

“LONG before Babylon, Judah had already conspired to usurp the authority of YHWH by the “chuqqah” that she had made which today we know as “Judaism”!!!”

Well I’m glad that you have never usurped God, but as for the rest of us we have fallen short and by the Grace of God we are still loved, forgiven/forgivable, and redeemed/redeemable.

Your legalism ideas are exactly what turned Judaism and Christianity into religions that you claim to be against.


78 posted on 07/27/2016 1:48:42 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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To: patlin

You still haven’t answered the Zachariah 14 question which was what this conversation started as.

“Show me in the OT where YHWH calls His faith that was in Abraham, Judaism?

You know good and well that he is called a Hebrew which came to be used interchangeable with Jew and no one not even Christ said that was incorrect.

“Abraham did not obey men, he did not attend synagogue in order to understand our Creator’s instructions (Torah).”

What Church did Jesus Christ attend?

Oh wait He didn’t, He attended and taught in those Synagogues and followed the law perfectly and showed us why Abraham had so much faith in the coming Messiah. He criticized those Jewish leaders for following tradition (Mark 7:13) and not following the laws of God. He consistently criticized the Jews for not having faith (Matt 17:17) in the Messiah (faith of Abraham) John 8:56

“Judaism = oral law/traditions”

You do realize that Judah came well before Moses right? You realize that Jesus was a Jew right? You realize that all the oracles of God came through the Jews right?

“HINT: If it has an “ism” or “ianity” at the end of it, IT IS a man made religion that has taken His pure instructions and added heavy burdens to them which then takes away the freedom of the people to worship Him in Spirit & Truth as it was in the beginning, as it was for our father Abraham!!!”

Just because Judaism turned wrong over the years doesn’t mean that it started that way. By your definition then Christianity is all wrong because of the great falling away or jw’s, mormons, and rcc that have twisted Scripture into something that it is not.

“ianity”

Christianity is the true relationship of people with God through Jesus Christ Acts 11:26.

“LONG before Babylon, Judah had already conspired to usurp the authority of YHWH by the “chuqqah” that she had made which today we know as “Judaism”!!!”

Well I’m glad that you have never usurped God, but as for the rest of us we have fallen short and by the Grace of God we are still loved, forgiven/forgivable, and redeemed/redeemable.

Your legalism ideas are exactly what turned Judaism and Christianity into religions that you claim to be against.


79 posted on 07/27/2016 1:49:26 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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