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To: MHGinTN
Mary is repeatedly called Jesus' Mother in Scripture. Paul says Christ was "born of a woman." Jesus is called "Son of Mary" --- you can look it up. Genesis says the Savior will be "her seed." Seed = offspring, a new generation via procreation, genetic descendant.

The very word "genealogy" indicates either legal or genetic descent. Jesus was the legal son of Joseph (that puts him legally in the House of David) and the genetic son of Mary (that makes him a human being, the seed of the Original Parents, Adam and Eve.) At least one, probably both genealogies in the NT would be irrelevant if Mary was not Jesus' genetic mother.

Mary's status as genetic mother of Jesus is the precise thing that makes Jesus, "born of a woman, born under the law," "the Word made flesh," the son of David, the son of Abraham, the son of Adam: a member of the human race.

The idea that Mary was not Jesus' genetic mother is a startling innovation the like of which I have never heard of before.

But let me correct myself: I have heard of it ONCE before and that was from the Koran: that Jesus was "created" in Mary's womb, created de novo Adam, and therefre he was *neither* God nor man: not God because He was created, and not Man because he was not any woman's actual son, according to the Koran.

It is not I who have to prove this innovation: it is you.

135 posted on 06/19/2016 3:07:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Ah, more assumptions!

"the Savior will be "her seed." Seed = offspring, a new generation via procreation, genetic descendant." The woman referred to was Eve, and it is one of her descendants who would be mother to the Seed! You DR Bible changed the texts in that passage to make room for Maridolatry as now assumed by your post. 'She' will bruise your heel is not the way the Hebrew reads, yet Rome changed that reading, in Jerome's translation into Latin, if memory serves.

You asserted, "and the genetic son of Mary" ... you should at this stage know better than to assert as axiom that which you have been called top prove. You asserting it doesn't make it so.

You then asserted, "At least one, probably both genealogies in the NT would be irrelevant if Mary was not Jesus' genetic mother." That is a total manufacture and again asserting as axiomatic that which you have been called to prove. You are inf act wrong. Mary gestated Jesus in her womb. That does not prove she donated half of His chromosomes. The Angel stated 'What is conceived in thee'. That gives room that conception is in her womb, that being implantation. It does not prove half of Jesus's chromosomes are from AMry. That she gave her womb for His development is in itself an astonishing fidelity to GOD. She IS the Mother of Jesus the man because she gestated Him in her womb. Ges5tating en embryo does not require that half of the chromosome di[ploid be from the gestating mother. You know that, you know we have in vitro fertilization, where the mother gestating the embryonic being has not donated any of the chromosomes yet she gestates that child to birth. ... Or perhaps you are not aware of that reality?

"The idea that Mary was not Jesus' genetic mother is a startling innovation the like of which I have never heard of before." You leap to many unfounded conclusions, but it is hardly surprising that this would not be a known factor until in vitro fertilization came about. As to the Koran, satan has many servants. The Koran is no more sacred scripture from god than Joe Smith's Book of Mormon. But that was a weak try to tie the notion to the Koran. Sad that ...

When a sentence says conceived IN THEE and not conceived OF THEE, the text should be consulted to see if there is a way to discern the truth. You have yet to do that. I did it a long time ago, in the Greek, which is interesting in itself since the Angel likely spoke to Mary in Aramaic or Hebrew. In Hebrew there is a specific way to indicate conceived OF thee, or the alternate conceived IN thee. Look it up, you can handle both Greek and Hebrew ...

137 posted on 06/19/2016 3:25:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Matthew 1:20 After he had thought about it, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” he said, “don’t be afraid to take Mary as your wife, because what has been conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

"en autē gennēthen" 'in her having been conceived', [ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν, 'from (the) Spirit' ἐκ Πνεύματός, 'is Holy' ἐστιν Ἁγίου· ]

138 posted on 06/19/2016 3:36:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN; don-o
BTW, Isaiah said the Virgin would "conceive and bear" a son: not just bear ("carry") but "conceive" and bear. Conception is the very moment when the mother's haploid genetic contribution becomes a constitutive part of her child's bodily inheritance.

If Mary was not Jesus' genetic mother, she did not conceive Jesus in her womb, but just toted Him around like some kind of incubator. If that's the case, then Jesus was not a Jew --- nor, for that matter, a member of the human race.

And if that is the case, then Jesus was mistaken when He said that "Salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22). Come to think of it, all the Messianic Scripture prophecies about "Abraham and his seed," and the Messiah as inheriting the throne of "David his father," are reduced to nonsense. And if Jesus is not a Jew, he could not have been the Jewish Messiah.

As I say, this denial of Mary's true motherhood obliterates Jesus' human and Jewish genealogy and kinship. It is --- outside of the Koran --- a completely new bit of weirdness. I find it mind-boggling.

Tagline from Acts 2:30

139 posted on 06/19/2016 3:43:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God swore to David that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

She is never “Mother of God” in Scripture. It goes beyond the text.


148 posted on 06/19/2016 5:06:51 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The idea that Mary was not Jesus' genetic mother is a startling innovation the like of which I have never heard of before.

Of course. Those formulating the doctrine of Mary's Immaculate Conception simply had no idea of the discoveries of cell theory, nor genetics, nor of cloning, etc. that is fairly common and no longer imaginative but real. You not having heard of it, or not having the creativity to think of it, no problem.

The fault would be if you continued to feast on a lie(s) rather than recognize accepted technology already in practice as one way of seeing God's operations within the rules of the creation He has made (a immensity of which we are still unaware).

385 posted on 06/22/2016 1:39:44 AM PDT by imardmd1 (The LORD says: "I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire" Is. 54:16)
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