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To: stonehouse01
“Pope Francis the Avatar of a different spirit...the spirit of Vatican II ... prince of this world” is just a brilliant analysis.

Looking for some clarification here. Is he saying that the Devil is the spirit that worked at Vatican II? If so, how does this happen to an ecumenical council of the Holy Catholic Church? Ecumenical/general councils are infallible:

Per the Catholic Encyclopedia, "All the arguments which go to prove the infallibility of the Church apply with their fullest force to the infallible authority of general councils in union with the pope.

19 posted on 05/26/2016 2:31:04 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: piusv

“...how does this happen at an ecumenical council...”

None of the documents of Vatican II explicitly state the intent to define Faith and Morals.

Solemn dogmatic definitions are required for infallibility and this was not done at Vatican II.

The Council was pastoral in nature and not dogmatic.

It was a terrible idea to call a Pastoral Council at that time and important Vatican II documents are purposely ambiguous and sow the seed of discord that is bearing bad fruit to this day. It is this discord that comes from the fallen dark side; the confusion in and itself does not end with the premise: therefore the Pope is not a Pope.

“...the Council ... avoided proclaiming in an extraordinary manner dogmas endowed with the note of infallibility” as per Pope VI’s statement on January 12, 1966.


20 posted on 05/26/2016 5:00:10 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: piusv

Speaking for The Bear, I can assure you that he fully supports and agrees with whatever VII may or may not say, whether pastorally, dogmatically or by anathema, if anything. Er, forget the anathema part.

As for prince of this world, the Bear only meant to suggest that Pope Francis’ Pan-Religious Love-Cult centered on his own personality, and focus on secular issues, appears to show a dramatically increased solicitude for non-Catholic teachings and secular concerns. And the Bear admires that.


29 posted on 05/26/2016 3:31:43 PM PDT by SalukiLawyer (Sitting on the oogedy-boogety branch since 1975)
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