Posted on 05/25/2016 3:57:03 AM PDT by JosephJames
St. Luke's Gospel says, twice, sthat Mary "turned these things over in her heart." She was a simple girl, His handmaid, ignorant about a great many things, but trusting God completely even in things she did not understand.
I wish I were more like her.
There's no contradiction there.
She merely BECAME that way by being assumed??
Let's try some easy math:
There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;
If merely 1% of them 'ask' Mary for help just once each day;
that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.
Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)
...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!
Purty good fer someone NOT omniscient!
Of course not.
Whatever extraordinary powers and properties she has in Heaven, are very much akin to the powers and properties we will all have. St. John says that "Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, nor has it entered into the mind of man to imagine, what God has prepared for those who love Him."
"139 'requests' per second"???
Seriously, Elsie, we have supercomputers that can handle far more transactions far faster than that. If you think we won't far surpass our own machines, your estimation of God's power to maximize our abilities is rather feeble.
Oh?
Do you have some kind of EVIDENCE to make such an astounding assertion?
Sure sounds a LOT better than 72 virgins!!!
While your church's ability to teach such things appears to be limitless.
Good morning, Elsie -—
I will take that as a compliment! Thankee very much!
". . . per second"? So you do understand eternity as linear -- just like time, only longer?
Oh, infinitely better!
Based on what we know about angels and the resurrected Christ from the evidence of Scripture, that they are not bound by the laws of material physics (because angels are not material, physical beings, and because Christ's resurrected body likewise transcends mere physicality), these consequences follow logically: Angels and the blessed in Heaven possess:
1) Impassibility – the glorified body will no longer suffer physical sickness or death, as St Paul teaches regarding the glorified body in 1 Corinthians 15:42, "It is sown in corruption, it shall rise in incorruption."
2) Subtlety - meaning that we will have a spiritual body as did our Lord, as we learn at 1 Corinthians 15:44: "It is sown a corruptible body, it shall rise a spiritual," i.e. a spirit-like "body." We see that Christ’s glorified body was able to pass through closed doors. Material things cannot stop it.
3) Agility – the glorified body will obey the soul with the greatest ease and speed of movement as we read in 1 Corinthians 15:43: "It is sown in weakness, it shall rise in power," that is, as St. Thomas Aquinas says, "mobile and agile." We discern the agility our Resurrected Lord’s ability to bilocate and travel great distances in an instant. From one end of the Universe to the other at the speed of thought.
4) Clarity – the glorified body will be free from any deformity and will be filled with beauty and radiance as we read at Matthew 13:43: "The just shall shine as the sun in the kingdom of their Father," and Wisdom 3:7 - "The just shall shine, and shall run to and fro like sparks among the reeds." Here clarity refers not being "clear" but to being “bright.”
St. Thomas Aquinas at Summa Contra Gentiles, IV, 86 summarized: “thus also will his body be raised to the characteristics of heavenly bodies — it will be lightsome (clarity), incapable of suffering (impassible), without difficulty and labor in movement (agility), and totally perfected by its form (subtlety). For this reason, the Apostle speaks of the bodies of the risen as heavenly, referring not to their nature, but to their glory."
It is worth noting that the Virgin Mary has already received her glorified and resurrected body. Hence, she has the four gifts of the resurrection.
Actually what happens will surpass the "logical" consequences outlined above, his because this is "imaginable," and what we'll experience in the world to come, has got to be beyond that
: 1 Corinthians 2:9 (Link)
"Rather, as it is written: 'No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.'"
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Your notes are pure(?) speculation at best.
A 'sinless' person does not NEED a new body.
1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”
3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen. 8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9 (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10 Then the disciples went back to where they were staying.
11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
13 They asked her, “Woman, why are you crying?”
“They have taken my Lord away,” she said, “and I don’t know where they have put him.” 14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
15 He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?”
Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.”
She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
30 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. 31 But these are written that you may believe[b] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
So we are stuck; if we believe what you've just typed; with Jesus NOT having a 'glorified' body yet appearing behind locked doors;
OR...
Jesus ascended, got a NEW body (with holes in it), returned to Earth - a SECOND coming.
So; what'll it be?
"So we are stuck with Jesus NOT having a 'glorified' body yet appearing behind locked doors...OR...
Jesus ascended, got a NEW body (with holes in it), returned to Earth - a SECOND coming.
So; what'll it be?
I must admit I don't "get" your question. Jesus has glorified body with holes in it, and appears behind locked doors. Is there a problem here?
Why would you say that?
There seems to be quite a lot that you aren't getting these days.
Why not?
You just got to say all kinds of stuff; why not me?
Once again I just asked for your opinion, your reasoning. I give my opinion and my reasoning--- why not you?
Ears perked!
So maybe I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Could you please explain?
Because mine is of no value.
'Tis much better to post what your chosen religion teaches; and let the lurkers make up their own mind.
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