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To: Lil Flower; imardmd1; daniel1212; Springfield Reformer; HossB86; Iscool; caww; metmom; Mark17; ...
Sorry, the carnality of Catholic Mass is right up there with the pagan practices of eating food sacrificed to idols. When Jesus celebrated the Passover with His Disciples, He clearly used the unleavened bread and wine for symbols of the New Covenant He introduced that night. As oft as we break the bread and sip the wine in a Remembrance ceremony, we do show the death of The Savior atoning for our sin nature. As a sinless man, Jesus would not have made His disciples violate the Laws He, God with us, declared way back in Leviticus, regarding drinking/eating the blood of a living creature, or eating the flesh of another human being.

IF Catholicism could show how cannibalism was suddenly made innocent, catholiciism might be able to make a case for Jesus eating His flesh with them that night, by taking a passage out of contextual meaning of the entire Bible as one or two catholic apologists do often at FR. But you will not show how the disciples could do that and remain innocent before the laws and Jesus stated that He had come to fulfill the Laws not erase them.

Jesus declared not one yot or tittle of the Law would disappear, yet catholiciism makes a mockery of Him by declaring they, the priesthood, serve to you the flesh and real blood of Jesus in a wafer, contradicting all that Jesus taught on that last Passover night, defying in a ritual of pagan origins the law against cannibalism.

Jesus introduced The New Covenant of Grace by Faith not Works, using symbols any man or woman could find any where at any time, without need of a priesthood or an organization. Jesus did not suddenly erase the law against cannibalizing human flesh!

Judaism had devolved into a rituals needing the temple and more than 600 restrictions on life as a means to work one's way to favor with God. Contrasting that works based Judaism, the emphasis in the ritual of breaking the bread and sipping the wine in REMEMBRANCE of His atoning work is not upon the falsely empowered org, it is upon Jesus and faith in His atonement activating God's Grace for us. The Catholic Church has --successfully with more than a billion Catholics-- replaced works based Judaism with works based Catholicism.

Having the paganism of Catholic Mass exposed upsets you. Understandable, since Catholics have been indoctrinated to place their faith in the org run ritual rather than the simplicity of faith in Him. Catholics go to this ritual placing faith in the ritual to cleanse them, rather than exercising faith in His atonement by activating their faith in Him, not a ritual. You cannot eat God's Life into your belly and rejuvenate your spirit and soul.

806 posted on 06/10/2016 8:11:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: Elsie
Meant to ping you, old cow. ;^)
807 posted on 06/10/2016 8:16:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN
VERY well, and simply stated ... thank you

As usual, when I get a ping well into a thread, I have to go back and learn what started it all in the first place

lil flower's bloom has fallen off without propagating a single seed .... just an annual that had no beauty anyway

808 posted on 06/10/2016 8:39:20 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: MHGinTN
When Jesus celebrated the Passover with His Disciples, He clearly used the unleavened bread and wine for symbols of the New Covenant.

Let me suggest that you consider that this bread was not unleavened (adzumos in Gk.) but rather leavened (artos in Gk.), inasmuch as the Galileans ate their passover on the eve of the day the Jews of Judea killed their lambs; hence the bread, being one day shy of that of the Jews, would still be regular leavened bread.

In the observation of the New Covenant the bread representing the Body of Christ (which would be the local ekklesia gathered unto His Name) is not pure: it has been and still is leavened, likewise, at this time.

Also, remember that the day of the feast of Pentecost, on which the Holy Ghost came upon the disciples, was also a day under the Law upon which the first of the new leavened bread might be eaten.

Please take these facts into account when you formluate your own preferred doctrinal belief in the symbology of what the nature of the elements of the Supper consists.

Some specific sects insist that the bread of the Remembrance Supper be leavened bread (perhaps even in form like our commercial pita bread), with good reason.

810 posted on 06/10/2016 11:41:03 AM PDT by imardmd1 (The LORD says: "I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire" Is. 54:16)
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To: MHGinTN
Having the paganism of Catholic Mass exposed upsets you. Understandable, since Catholics have been indoctrinated to place their faith in the org run ritual rather than the simplicity of faith in Him. Catholics go to this ritual placing faith in the ritual to cleanse them, rather than exercising faith in His atonement by activating their faith in Him, not a ritual. You cannot eat God's Life into your belly and rejuvenate your spirit and soul.

so, for 2,016 years Christians have been wrong concerning the Eucharist but luckily, you sprang up to set us straight.......thanks!

823 posted on 06/10/2016 8:43:07 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL)
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