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To: ealgeone
If you saying the Son was created you are in contradiction of the verse from John 1:1 I posted. That verse is the explanation.

Reread it VERY CARFULLY Thius time I bolded Italicized and underlined the Not as a created being, For you

My original post 116 in it's entirety:

Let's try the classical Christian answer: Given the proviso that you accept that a universal highest power exists according to the Thomist view God is the un-created, first moving necessary being. He lives outside of time and space. So technically the terms before and after having no bearing on the origin of the Son.
Gods first thought was of Himself and that thought was so powerful and perfect that it resulted in the Son. Not as a created being, but rather as a reflection of the Father with all of His divinity. Since the Father already existed the Son's first thought was of Him This first thought was of the perfect love He had for the Father. The Father also immediately had a perfect love for the Son. This love resulted in the third person was the Holy Spirit. I hope this answers your question.

Now you have claimed to be attending a seminary at the graduate level I would love to see your explanation of the origin of the Trinity.

240 posted on 05/29/2016 5:23:47 PM PDT by verga (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: verga
Gods first thought was of Himself and that thought was so powerful and perfect that it resulted in the Son. Not as a created being, but rather as a reflection of the Father with all of His divinity.

You contradict yourself in your sentence. In the first sentence above you suggest God's thought was so powerful and perfect it resulted in the Son.

The only way to understand that is to believe you are saying the Son was created.

Then you attempt to clarify your meaning by posting this which further confuses your post.

Not as a created being, but rather as a reflection of the Father with all of His divinity.

Yet, further in the post you have this.

This love resulted in the third person was the Holy Spirit.

This "love resulted" comments suggests you are saying the Holy Spirit was also created.

And I thought you had contradictory understandings of the role of Mary and Christ regarding our salvation and now you post this contradictory post that may or may not indicate you believe both the Son and Holy Ghost were somehow created which would be a contradiction of the Word.

Here's a simple question:

Has the Son and the Holy Ghost always existed as has the Father?

241 posted on 05/29/2016 5:31:21 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: verga
Now you have claimed to be attending a seminary at the graduate level I would love to see your explanation of the origin of the Trinity.

John 1:1 as posted before.

Plus:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, Matt 28:19

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. John 8:58

14The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. 2 Corinthians 13:14

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost have always existed.

242 posted on 05/29/2016 5:40:40 PM PDT by ealgeone
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