Posted on 05/23/2016 4:25:24 PM PDT by Frank Broom
What are these you just posted??
How do you reconcile that and other similar verses with the scriptures that clearly show Christian souls go to heaven when we die???
Post yer verses and we'll look at them.
In the mean time; let's look at what John has recorded:
John 11 (NIV)
1 Now a man named Lazarus was sick. He was from Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) 3 So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, the one you love is sick.”
4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.” 5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days, 7 and then he said to his disciples, “Let us go back to Judea.”
8 “But Rabbi,” they said, “a short while ago the Jews there tried to stone you, and yet you are going back?”
9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world’s light. 10 It is when a person walks at night that they stumble, for they have no light.”
11 After he had said this, he went on to tell them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.”
12 His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.” 13 Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.
14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
16 Then Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]) said to the rest of the disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
17 On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. 18 Now Bethany was less than two miles[b] from Jerusalem, 19 and many Jews had come to Martha and Mary to comfort them in the loss of their brother. 20 When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, but Mary stayed at home.
21 “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.”
23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
27 “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”
28 After she had said this, she went back and called her sister Mary aside. “The Teacher is here,” she said, “and is asking for you.” 29 When Mary heard this, she got up quickly and went to him. 30 Now Jesus had not yet entered the village, but was still at the place where Martha had met him. 31 When the Jews who had been with Mary in the house, comforting her, noticed how quickly she got up and went out, they followed her, supposing she was going to the tomb to mourn there.
32 When Mary reached the place where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet and said, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.”
33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. 34 “Where have you laid him?” he asked.
“Come and see, Lord,” they replied.
35 Jesus wept.
36 Then the Jews said, “See how he loved him!”
37 But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man have kept this man from dying?”
38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
40 Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”
Did reply 271 look cherry-picked?
Bravo! I was gonna cite the same passage in 1 Thess 4 and the passage in 1 Cor 15 but you did it better ...
This Wesleyan bows to your 3 1/2 month seniority status.
Oh NO!
You two are gonna gang upon me!
Where’s verga when I need him?
;^)
Elsie, the body is alive at a level of reality which allows that body to slowly decay and the atoms return to their 'ground state' for re-use. The soul and the spirit are alive at a different level of reality, one that allows a born again believer's spirit to 'energize' their soul in such a way that Jesus said of that state, "26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die." If the body rots in the grave, what is it that never dies like the body dies? What is it that God will bring with Jesus, from Heaven, for the Rapture?
At least I'm not making UP something!
What is it that God will bring with Jesus, from Heaven, for the Rapture?
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
This is almost as good as some of the things Rome comes up with!
:D
Hoss
It can be tough to discuss scripture with those who are not dispensational...
Verse 25 was correcting her verse 24 assertion ...
Agreed
I fail to see any ‘correction’.
We’ve told little kids for SO long, that when Gramma died, she went to be with Jesus; that we’ve conjured up doctrine to ‘PROVE’ IT.
You have?!
So the soul is never absent from the body???
There is soul and spirit with each human. Paul taught the Thessalonians that God would bring the dead in Christ FROM HEAVEN when the Rapture event occurs. We may rightly infer from 1Thess4 that these brought with Christ will be given physical bodies and we who are alive and remain at the coming in the air will be transformed and caught up together with them into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
I have no idea.
People who tell me things about a human soul will have to have some pretty good EVIDENCE they are actually telling me truthful data.
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