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To: WhatNot

**Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.**

**In this verse we have the (Holy Ghost) descending upon him, upon who? upon (Jesus.) We have a voice from heaven, (the Father) three separate and distinct persons.**

In that verse you find that God gave John the baptist both an audio and visual conformation that the man standing before him was indeed the Son of God.

A television is an object standing before people. It displays an image(s) from out of thin air, and words from out of thin air as well. There is a hot wire in the wall outlet that makes the tv come to life. If that seems like a crude example, then how crude is it to think that the omnipresent, omnipotetent, and omniscient God the Father can’t be IN Christ (opposite of what Christ so declared), and also can’t simultaneously make visual and audio signs for another man to witness.

The Son of God was the visible and audio expression, to fellow men, of God’s love, power, wisdom, etc. The Son declared those attributes to be “the Father in him” (John 14:10)

Jesus Christ declared that he was sent from God. He also declared that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father.

The Father is the original source of all things divine.

As we know, artificial intelligence is a creation of man.
It is also crude, I suppose, to say that the Son of God is God the Father’s initial creation of AI. The mind and soul of Jesus Christ was created by God.

“Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee?” Heb. 1:5 (Ps. 2:7)

“I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son”. Heb. 1:5

Then when the fullness of time was come, God sent his Son to redeem fallen man. To do this, the Son needed a body:

“Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body thou hast prepared me:” Heb. 10:5

And when he came to his own, he declared the Word of God. And the words that the image spoke were, by the Son’s own admission, from the Father.

**1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.**

**Now, I know the New World Order translations like to dismiss this particular verse, but I believe God can preserve His own word.**

Oh, God does indeed preserve his word. Sometimes imprinted in the memory of living and breathing people. The debate is which written or printed version is most accurately preserved.

My KJV (The Pilgrim Study Bible. Oxford Press) has the same verse. Yet the Trinitarian commentary on that page says: “Scholars mostly agree that this verse is not authentic and should be omitted.”

I have often thought it odd that the Trinitarian commentators, or contributing editors, would make what would seem to be a concession of sorts.

The scriptures point out that the Son inherited all things, even his name. Think about that for moment.


82 posted on 05/19/2016 8:11:51 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel
In that verse you find that God gave John the baptist both an audio and visual conformation that the man standing before him was indeed the Son of God.

My point in posting that verse was to refute your argument that the Biblical doctrine of God, being three separate and distinct personages is not a post-scriptural belief, but is in fact quite scriptural.

The Son of God was the visible and audio expression, to fellow men,

There are two vines where doctrine comes from, the true vine and the vine of Sodom. Reducing the Son of God down to nothing more than God's power point presentation, is doctrine grown up from the vine of Sodom.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Not an audio visual presentation.

John 15:1
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Deuteronomy 32:32
"For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:"

Oh, God does indeed preserve his word. Sometimes imprinted in the memory of living and breathing people.

The other doctrine that comes straight from the vine of Sodom, is the belief that God will judge you and I, based on what frail man can remember of His Word. There is one standard that we will be judged on, and it's not what so and so can remember about what God said, or what was handed down to us from Dear Old Grandad, or what this Philosopher said about God's Word 2,000 years ago, or what "Scholars mostly agree" on, we will be judge solely on what is written in God's preserved word, nothing else.

Think of all the evil people could get away with on Judgement day, if all they had to say was, "Hey, God I never knew that Your word said that, the person you gave it died before I was born."

Or, "Hey Lord, You can't fault me for doing that, the person You told that to, well, He got Alzheimer's later in life and forgot You told him that."

No, God preserved His word, and we have it with us here today, and both of us will be judged on it alone.

85 posted on 05/19/2016 10:34:42 PM PDT by WhatNot (The Gospel doesn't promise the American dream, it promises Eternal life in the Kingdom of God.)
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