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To: Campion; Mrs. Don-o
I love the disingenousness of catholic thinking. When confronted with the false statements of these apparitions claiming to be "mary" the catholic runs and hides behind "private revelation".

As I noted to Mrs Don-o:

Catholicism has dogmas about Mary; the immaculate conception; perpetual virginity though none can be supported by Scripture.

Catholicism prays to Mary which is not sanctioned by Scripture.

Catholicism has tons of writings on Mary.

Catholicism has titles for Mary of co-redemtrix, mediatrix, advocate which are not supported by Scripture.

Catholics believe Mary influenced the Battle of Lepanto.

Pius V instituted "Our Lady of Victory" as an annual feast to commemorate the victory which he attributed to the Blessed Virgin Mary. This sure sounds like an endorsemetn of acceptance by Catholicism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_the_Rosary#Feast_day

This apparition is the same one who appeared at Fatima and the same at Guadalupe. The latter asked for a shrine to be built in her honor.

The Bishop of Leiria-Fatima noted the visions of Fatima were officially declared "worthy of belief" in October 1930. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima#Official_position_of_the_Catholic_Church

Yet, when an apparition shows us claiming to be Mary, which has to be the same Mary as noted above based on Pius's endorsement through the feast, and says things that make catholics uncomfortable such as: "5.The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the rosary shall not perish. or 11.You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the rosary, it becomes a take it or leave it proposition.

If the catholic really believes the apparitions are Mary why does the catholic not believe what the apparitions claim?

It sure seems like catholics want it both ways.

74 posted on 04/22/2016 8:15:05 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
I love the disingenousness of catholic thinking. When confronted with the false statements of these apparitions claiming to be "mary" the catholic runs and hides behind "private revelation".

Yet when non-Catholics appeal to *private revelation*, well.... you know the routine.

77 posted on 04/22/2016 8:22:48 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone; Campion

As I said, this has all been explained multiple times in the FR Religion Forum in detail. Google “Mrs Don-o” and you can cut-and-paste my answers to your cut-and-paste objections. Save us both some time.


80 posted on 04/22/2016 8:40:16 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( "The end of all things is at hand: be therefore sober, and watchful unto prayer." - 1 Peter 4:7)
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