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For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Constantine found that, with the Roman Empire being so vast, expansive, and diverse, not everyone would agree to forsake his or her religious beliefs to embrace Christianity. So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities. Some clear examples of this are as follows:

(1) The Cult of Isis, an Egyptian mother-goddess religion, was absorbed into Christianity by replacing Isis with Mary. Many of the titles that were used for Isis, such as “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” and theotokos (“God-bearer”) were attached to Mary. Mary was given an exalted role in the Christian faith, far beyond what the Bible ascribes to her, in order to attract Isis worshippers to a faith they would not otherwise embrace. Many temples to Isis were, in fact, converted into temples dedicated to Mary. The first clear hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

(2) Mithraism was a religion in the Roman Empire in the 1st through 5th centuries AD. It was very popular among the Romans, especially among Roman soldiers, and was possibly the religion of several Roman emperors. While Mithraism was never given “official” status in the Roman Empire, it was the de facto official religion until Constantine and succeeding Roman emperors replaced Mithraism with Christianity. One of the key features of Mithraism was a sacrificial meal, which involved eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a bull. Mithras, the god of Mithraism, was “present” in the flesh and blood of the bull, and when consumed, granted salvation to those who partook of the sacrificial meal (this is known as theophagy, the eating of one’s god). Mithraism also had seven “sacraments,” making the similarities between Mithraism and Roman Catholicism too many to ignore. Church leaders after Constantine found an easy substitute for the sacrificial meal of Mithraism in the concept of the Lord’s Supper/Christian communion. Even before Constantine, some early Christians had begun to attach mysticism to the Lord’s Supper, rejecting the biblical concept of a simple and worshipful remembrance of Christ’s death and shed blood. The Romanization of the Lord’s Supper made the transition to a sacrificial consumption of Jesus Christ, now known as the Catholic Mass/Eucharist, complete.

(3) Most Roman emperors (and citizens) were henotheists. A henotheist is one who believes in the existence of many gods, but focuses primarily on one particular god or considers one particular god supreme over the other gods. For example, the Roman god Jupiter was supreme over the Roman pantheon of gods. Roman sailors were often worshippers of Neptune, the god of the oceans. When the Catholic Church absorbed Roman paganism, it simply replaced the pantheon of gods with the saints. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these, and many other categories. Just as many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, so the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for the cities.

(4) The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. With the city of Rome being the center of government for the Roman Empire, and with the Roman emperors living in Rome, the city of Rome rose to prominence in all facets of life. Constantine and his successors gave their support to the bishop of Rome as the supreme ruler of the church. Of course, it is best for the unity of the Roman Empire that the government and state religion be centralized. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. When the Roman Empire collapsed, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus.

Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the origin of the Catholic Church. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.
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52 posted on 04/12/2016 3:30:43 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Trump is for America First. Cruz and the Establishment is for America Last. It's that simple.)
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To: Mechanicos; EagleOne

Well I was hoping for an answer from ealgeone and one that wasn’t merely a c/p from a website but I guess I’ll take what I can get.

There was a long period in the 200s when Christians were not persecuted, Diocletian authorized persecutions that made Nero look kindhearted. The article posted gives the Council of Nicea, called by Constantine as the breaking point (I guess) of original Christianity and Roman Catholicism. There are a number of problems with that, most important is that Nicea was called to settle the dispute over Arianism. Arianism taught that Our Lord was “created” and used a heavy reliance upon Sacred Scripture to back that idea up.

Beyond that, the capital of the empire in the west had been moved from Rome to Ravenna then to Milan, Rome as a city was turning into a ghost town. There was no civil reason for the bishop of Rome to be “made” head of the Church, if anything the bishop of the new capital in Constantinople would have been the logical choice. As an aside, the bishop of Rome did not attend Nicea but sent two priests as his representatives, after the emperor’s personal theologian those two priests are the first signatures on the Council, then came the great and illustrious bishops of the east.

Mithraism is overblown and conflated, they stole from us, not the other way around.

Origen died in the 250s, almost 100 years before Nicea during the first period of tolerance of Christianity. If that’s the first evidence of Mariology then we have a bigger problem than Constantine.

I could go on but it’s 7:30am here and I’m still a bit tired. I’m sure others will jump in with plenty of refutations to the copy/paste article that was provided.


57 posted on 04/12/2016 4:24:26 AM PDT by Legatus (I think, therefore you're out of your mind)
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To: Mechanicos

I’m sorry perhaps you missed the part about legitimate historical sources. A blog does not count as a legitimate historical source. Suggested sources include but are not limited to: The World book encyclopedia online, The Encyclopedia Britannica online,, CCEL. You will note that CCEL (Christian Classics Ethereal Library) is a protestant source, and neither of the online encyclopedias have any connection to the Catholic Church.


68 posted on 04/12/2016 5:38:28 AM PDT by verga (Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.)
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To: Mechanicos
You were challenged to provide historical documentation. This isn't historical documentation, just an assertion about what you *think* happened.

Specifically:

So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities.

When and where did this happen? Where is the decree authorizing or promoting it? When was it signed? Who signed it? Who opposed it at the time?

History is not "what I think might have happened," but "what actually happened".

91 posted on 04/12/2016 10:24:51 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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