This is really getting ridiculous isn’t it? The word Eucharist is what we call for the consecrated host. This is what the early disciples of Christ believed when he said that unless you eat of my body and drink of my blood you will not have everlasting life.
To deny the Eucharist, you will have to REFUTE:
1. Scripture itself. John 6:53
2. The sacred oral tradition, the very tradition that was used to cross check and cross reference the books in the Bible that were infallibly assembled as authentic by the Catholic Church. So if you doubt the oral tradition, you must doubt the fact-checking sources for the Bible, and consequently the accuracy of the Bible itself. You cannot have it both ways by accepting the Bible as authentic and un-tether its infallibility from the sacred oral tradition.
3. The beliefs and practices of the early disciples of Christ before the Bible was assembled in the early fourth century.
4. The beliefs of saints, martyrs, and stigmatists who believed that the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Holy Eucharist is at the very center of Christian belief and this is why the Tabernacle was at the center of all Catholic Churches and worship and was so for FIFTEEN CENTURIES (AND CONTINUES TO BE) before the curse of Protestantism in 1517 (especially now with their mainline denominations using scriptural warrant to ordain gay, lesbian, and coming soon, transgender pastors) washed ashore spreading, what the great essayist Hillaire Belloc called, a “cluster of heresies.”
5. The explicit writings of the early Church fathers.
This would include St. Irenaeus of Lyons, an early Church Father and Doctor of the Church
Written by St. Irenaeus about 185 AD, this excerpt in the link above makes clear the Church’s realistic interpretation of the Eucharist as the risen body of Christ.
In fact, the real presence of the body and blood of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist (transubstantiation), also known as Mass or the Lord’s Supper, was taken for granted in the early Church.
To accept the Eucharist, as understood by Roman Catholicism, you have to deny Hebrews.
As the Bible does not contradict itself only one of these positions can be correct.
Catholic "sacred tradition" is not reliable in that it contradicts itself and the Bible on more than one occasion.
To accept only John 6:53, as roman catholics do, ignores the remainder of John 6 on this issue. As it does the rest of the NT.
To claim the disciples practiced the Eucharist as understood by Roman Catholicism ignores the Bible. We have no record of the disciples believing in the transubstantiation of the bread and wine as espoused by catholicism.
When Peter preached at and after Pentecost, did he say, come and eat the flesh and blood of Christ? NO!
It was repent and believe.
Did Paul say to eat the flesh and blood of Christ? NO!
He preached you come to faith through Christ.
It is really embarrassing, and blasphemous, for the catholic to continue to insist in this false teaching that is contrary to the Word. It is very similar to the Jews who came to the early believers and told them they had to be circumcised to be saved.
And for the last time...the roman catholic church did not give the world the Bible. It was in place long before the edifice known as roman catholicism came into existence.
We need refute NOTHING. All we need do is take the entire rest of the Bible, from the Genesis to the Revelation and see that your religion is based upon a blasphemy so large you can't get your head around it! And now you are ignoring everything we post for you to help you awaken to the Truth of what Jesus said in John chapter 14, and Luke Matthew and Mark wrote in their Gospel accounts. The god of your heretical Christianity religion violates the very laws He authored, if we take your blasphemy to be the truth. And the ground under your entire false premise is easily exposed for the heretical garbage it is by just looking at what your religion claims was the first eucharist! You are insisting that Jesus gave His actual real flesh and blood to His disciples as sacrifice to get God-life in them, even before He made the sacrifice of Himself ONCE, for ALL, forever! Surely Catholics are not that stupid! ... And yet, here you are insisting on the magic your religion teaches, spewing blasphemy, pushing 'another gospel, a different Jesus.'!
You spittled out, “In fact, the real presence of the body and blood of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist (transubstantiation), also known as Mass or the Lord’s Supper, was taken for granted in the early Church.” How early, catholic? Polycarp of Smyrna didn’t profane the Passover. He and the ekklesia in Asia Minor celebrated the Lord’s Table with bread and wine on Nisan 14, just as Jesus instituted it as the Remembrance of Him. And they did not commit blasphemy by playing magic games of ‘transubstantiation’, for they were not violating the Laws following their Lord. Polycarp went to Rome in 155AD, TO OPPOSE THE HERESIES ARISING THERE WITH THE INFLUENCE OF MEN LIKE MARCION, A PAGAN CUM ROMAN FOLLOWER.
Are all of the ECF's in 100% accord on the Eucharist being the actual flesh and blood of Christ?
https://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/541/Eucharist_as_Pledge_of_Resurrection_St._Irenaeus.htmlWritten by St. Irenaeus about 185 AD, this excerpt in the link above makes clear the Church’s realistic interpretation of the Eucharist as the risen body of Christ.
And yet catholiciism insists that Jesus gave His flesh and blood and soul and DIVINITY for the disciples to eat BEFORE HE WENT TO THE CROSS, thus before His resurrection. NOW you know why I call it the 'magicsteeringthem'. And sadly, billions of sincere people are being led to the pit of hell by this foolery!
Don't eat the blood, the life is in the blood
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Leviticus 7:26-27 Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.”
Leviticus 17:10-14 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
“Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 19:26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Matthew 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Mark 14:25 Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Luke 22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Fixed it.
It's not center to CHRISTIAN belief, it's center to CATHOLIC belief and one does not mean the other. The two should not be conflated as they are not the same thing.
Catholicism does not own the word *Christian*.