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To: metmom; EagleOne

Your comments stretch beyond reason and credulity!

“Then Jesus lied while on the cross and said that it was finished.,P> If He’s still being sacrificed, He never died and therefore forgiveness of sins is not given.”

What are you trying to say? As I said before, Jesus is not dying over and over again. It is our offering to God that he completes and changes the offering of the Bread and Wine into His Body and Blood through the actions of the priest.

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Your comment: “the sacrifice of the mass MUST result in the shedding of blood of the sacrifice and the DEATH of the sacrifice.”

Why? your comment is not logical.

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Your comment: “Because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.”

Do you understand this Bible passage (and it was repeated)?
Or do you not accept that Christ gave the Apostles and their successors the power to forgive sins (or not to forgive sins)?

21* [Jesus] said to them again,l “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” 22* And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them,m “Receive the holy Spirit. 23* n Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” John 20:21-23

Perhaps if you read the footnote you would better understand Hebres10:18

[10:11–18] Whereas the levitical priesthood offered daily sacrifices that were ineffectual in remitting sin (Heb 10:11), Jesus offered a single sacrifice that won him a permanent place at God’s right hand. There he has only to await the final outcome of his work (Heb 10:12–13; cf. Ps 110:1). Thus he has brought into being in his own person the new covenant prophesied by Jeremiah (Jer 31:33–34) that has rendered meaningless all other offerings for sin (Heb 10:14–18).

So the sacrifice of the Mass is the new covenant or new testament as stated in Luke 22:19-20 and Corinthians 1:23-27. Corinthians 3:16-17. indicates that the Church is a Temple of God where there are priestly ministery and sacrifice.

Jesus told the Apostles “Do this (the Eucharist)in memory of me” He did not tell them to write this. The Last Supper was the first sacrifice of the Mass (the new Passover) and completed with the death of Jesus on Friday.

Did you know that St Jerome translates the Our Father prayer in the Vulgate “our daily bread” as “super substantial bread” (or the Eucharist).

So the Mass and the Eucharist have been with us since the Last Supper.


578 posted on 04/14/2016 4:27:42 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM
This flesh and blood and SOUL and DIVINITY that you believe you eat at the Mass, is that from the pre-crucified Jesus, or from the Risen from the grave Jesus?... Think about your answer then tell us the truth you believe.
583 posted on 04/14/2016 5:08:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: ADSUM; metmom

I have no idea where you get your understanding of the Word. Your understanding is foreign to Christianity.


584 posted on 04/14/2016 5:17:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
Your comment: “Because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.”

My "comment" IS Scripture.

It's right from Hebrews 9:22.

592 posted on 04/14/2016 6:43:30 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM
Corinthians 3:16-17. indicates that the Church is a Temple of God where there are priestly ministery and sacrifice.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

You better try again...That scripture says no such thing nor indicates it...And that Corinthian church has no priestly ministry...

As I said before, Jesus is not dying over and over again. It is our offering to God that he completes

By eating a wafer you are making a sacrifice to God???

and changes the offering of the Bread and Wine into His Body and Blood through the actions of the priest.

Can you show the source of the revelation that a priest's actions change bread and wine into flesh and blood??? You can't use a bible because it's certainly not in there...The earliest church fathers didn't mention it so you didn't get it from them...

596 posted on 04/14/2016 8:50:56 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump/Kasich...A winning team...)
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To: ADSUM; EagleOne; MHGinTN; imardmd1; Mark17
What are you trying to say? As I said before, Jesus is not dying over and over again. It is our offering to God that he completes and changes the offering of the Bread and Wine into His Body and Blood through the actions of the priest....The Last Supper was the first sacrifice of the Mass (the new Passover) and completed with the death of Jesus on Friday.

But as shown, that the Lord's Supper is a sacrament mediated by priests transubstantiating bread and wine into the "real" (but unbloody, non-evidential) body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ as a sacrifice for sins, and consumed to obtain spiritual life, is the very thing that Scripture does not teach, being utterly absent in the life of the NT church. Let me know when you even find one NT pastor distinctively called a "priest," and or exercising this unique sacerdotal function.

Or do you not accept that Christ gave the Apostles and their successors the power to forgive sins (or not to forgive sins)?

Which is nothing new in the light of the OT magisterial judicial function of binding and loosing, dissent from which was a capital crime. (Dt. 17:8-13) But as with required submission to all binding and loosing authorities of men, it is conditioned upon the premise of having Scriptural validation. (James 5:16-20)

Moreover, the spiritual power of binding and loosing is provided for all believers of Elijah-type holiness, faith and prayer, and includes instrumentally hiding a multitude of sin, while the binding and loosing of Paul was bound up with the corporate judgment of the church:

In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1 Corinthians 5:4-5)

"Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.... To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ." (2 Corinthians 2:6-7,10

624 posted on 04/15/2016 11:40:42 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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