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To: ealgeone

An honest read of the ecfs shows their consistent inconsistency.


Can you provide an example where the ecfs were inconsistent on Baptism.

I just finished reading the article by Ken Hensley. He stated the following: “As I began to read the Fathers, one of the first things that struck me was the way they consistently talked about baptism.” He started with the Letter of Barnabas, then The Shepherd of Hermas, Justin Martyr, and Clement of Alexandria. He said he found many other such quotations and indicated that he did not find any ecfs arguing against the quotations. He went on to say: “In fact, this is the way all of the earliest Christian writers speak of baptism. This is how Christians continue to speak of baptism essentially all the way up to when early forms of Protestantism appeared. Whenever baptism is mentioned, these are the sorts of things that are being said.”

So were there any ecfs that Mr. Hensley may have missed?


57 posted on 04/09/2016 8:05:18 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: rwa265
I know they're inconsistent on the papacy. Some say yes, some say no.

I'd have to research Ken Hensley first and then the ECFs on baptism.

One thing I've noticed when catholics cite the ECFs is they're very selective in their quotations. Positions favoring catholicism are highly quoted while position against catholicism are often ignored or discounted.

An example of this is found in the catholic encyclopedia online regarding the immaculate conception.

In regard to the sinlessness of Mary the older Fathers are very cautious: some of them even seem to have been in error on this matter.

Origen, although he ascribed to Mary high spiritual prerogatives, thought that, at the time of Christ's passion, the sword of disbelief pierced Mary's soul ; that she was struck by the poniard of doubt ; and that for her sins also Christ died ( Origen, "In Luc. hom. xvii").

In the same manner St. Basil writes in the fourth century: he sees in the sword, of which Simeon speaks, the doubt which pierced Mary's soul (Epistle 259

St. Chrysostom accuses her of ambition, and of putting herself forward unduly when she sought to speak to Jesus at Capharnaum ( Matthew 12:46 ; Chrysostom, Hom. xliv; cf. also "In Matt.", hom. 4).

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056

59 posted on 04/09/2016 8:16:31 AM PDT by ealgeone (The)
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