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To: ADSUM; MHGinTN
One needs to receive Baptism (born from above with water and spirit) before receiving the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

And if baptism gives life, then there's no need for eating the body and blood of Jesus.

Or if eating the body and blood of Jesus gives life, there's no need for baptism.

Y'all have too many conditions you say need to be met to be saved and if you don't have one or another, you aren't saved.

Jesus made it a lot more simple. Believe in Him and it's a done deal.

John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

113 posted on 04/09/2016 7:00:37 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; MHGinTN

As you indicate previously that you area baptized Catholic that no longer practices the Catholic faith, I am surprised that you are confused about Catholic teaching that is based on Scripture and Sacred Tradition. You quote specific verses, but ignore many other teachings of Jesus that informs us about the path to Salvation.

The Catholic Church recognizes 7 Sacraments that were established by Christ and are an integral part of the Catholic Church and the teaching of Jesus.

1. Baptism for the forgiveness of original sin and personal sins at the time of Baptism.
2. Reconciliation (Confession) for the forgiveness of sins committed after Baptism.
3. Eucharist (Holy Communion) that is part of the Mass where the priest consecrates the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
4. Confirmation.
5. Marriage.
6. Holy Orders
7. Anointing of the Sick.

Each provides graces from God so that we can grow in our love of God and neighbor towards our salvation with God upon our death.

I am sorry that you see too many conditions. These are the teachings from Jesus that has been followed by the Catholic Church.

Yes Faith in Jesus is very important and essential in our journey, but our love of God encompasses much more as stated in the Bible and the teachings of the Catholic Church as founded by Jesus.

May we all truly understand and follow the path to our salvation.


125 posted on 04/09/2016 11:18:58 PM PDT by ADSUM
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