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Cardinal Brandmüller Reminds Pope that the Catholic Moral Teaching Cannot Be Changed [Cath Caucus]
The Wanderer ^ | April 6,, 2016 | Maike Hickson

Posted on 04/06/2016 2:40:04 PM PDT by ebb tide

Walter Brandmüller, a retired Curial Cardinal from Germany, published today, 6 April, on the Austrian Catholic website Kath.net a strong statement (http://www.kath.net/news/54713) in preparation for the upcoming Apostolic Exhortation of Pope Francis. He makes it clear that the pope is bound by the Dogmas of the Church, as they are also to be found in the Church’s Catechism.

The Cardinal says: “It is the Church’s magisterial teaching (Dogma) that a validly contracted and consummated marriage cannot be dissolved by any power of the world – also not by the Church herself.” Brandmüller reminds the readers that this teaching has been re-affirmed by both the Apostolic Exhortation Familiaris Consortio (1981) by Pope John Paul II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1997).

Brandmüller clearly says that he “who, in spite of an existing marriage bond, enters after a divorce into a new civil union, is committing adultery” and that – as long as that person “is not willing to put an end this situation” – he “cannot receive either absolution in Confession nor the Eucharist (Holy Communion).” Any other path, the cardinal insists, would be “bound to fail” due to “its inherent untruthfulness.” He continues: “This is valid also with regard to the attempt to integrate into the Church those who live in an invalid ‘second marriage’ by admitting them to liturgical, catechetical and other functions.” This path, in his eyes, would lead to “conflicts,” “embarrassments,” and an “undermining of the Church’s sacred proclamation.”

The Cardinal continues by saying that such newly attempted proposals “reveal themselves as attempts – with the help of ‘salami tactics’ – to finally admit these couples to the Sacraments.” He adds: “The ‘way out’, in order to allow exceptions, is an impasse. What is fundamentally impossible for reasons of Faith, is also impossible in the individual case.”

The German cardinal concludes his statement with the important sentence: “The post-synodal document, Amoris Laetitia, is therefore to be interpreted in light of the above-presented principles, especially since a contradiction between a papal document and the Catechism of the Catholic Church would not be imaginable.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: adultery; francischurch
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1 posted on 04/06/2016 2:40:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The fact that a Cardinal would even have to say that, speaks volumes.


2 posted on 04/06/2016 2:46:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sad but true. When a Cardinal has to fire a shot across the bow of the Popemobile then we are seeing concerns that the Pope is heading for apostasy. At some point the Cardinals and Bishops may have to openly defy the Pope if he continues to stray from the Faith.


3 posted on 04/06/2016 2:50:57 PM PDT by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour

That is not a day I look forward to.

The days after may be good, but that day will be bad.


4 posted on 04/06/2016 2:54:50 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide
"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. "Mark 10:6-9

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matthew 19:4-6

I have thought, for several years now, that the various churches, political parties and governments have sought to "put asunder" marriage. They are not content with individual marriage break ups there goal has been to destroy marriage as the bedrock of family life and a stable society.

5 posted on 04/06/2016 3:01:54 PM PDT by protest1
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To: ebb tide

Hummmmmm— we hear there’s a cardinal job vacancy in Antarctica...?


6 posted on 04/06/2016 3:20:33 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: ebb tide
Key quote:

The German cardinal concludes his statement with the important sentence: “The post-synodal document, Amoris Laetitia, is therefore to be interpreted in light of the above-presented principles, especially since a contradiction between a papal document and the Catechism of the Catholic Church would not be imaginable.”

In other words, more so-called "hermeneutic of continuity" hogwash. This Cardinal isn't saying anything more than any other post-Vatican II Cardinal might say. Don't get your hopes up folks that someone in the Vatican is actually going to call it like it is.

7 posted on 04/06/2016 3:30:54 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o

It is the Church’s magisterial teaching (Dogma) that a validly contracted and consummated marriage cannot be dissolved by any power of the world – also not by the Church herself.”

I ask this sincerely because I don’t know, what dogma and if applicable, from which ecumenical council?


8 posted on 04/06/2016 3:40:00 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

What part of “Catholic Caucus” do you not understand?

BTW: You still have not answered my question of how many marriages you have consummated, as allowed by your “church”.


9 posted on 04/06/2016 3:49:03 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Yes, that is the Dogma. I looked that up for you in the Catechism and then tracked down the footnote references. The paragraph in question seems to be #1640, and then just scroll down for the footnotes; in addition to Canon Law, Tertullian and John Chrysostom are referenced; by far the main sources cited are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
10 posted on 04/06/2016 4:02:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whatever is true, honorable, right, pure, lovely, excellent, worthy of praise: dwell on these things)
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To: ebb tide

“BTW: You still have not answered my question of how many marriages you have consummated, as allowed by your “church”.”

One...going on 40 years. You?

“What part of “Catholic Caucus” do you not understand?”

Well, in point of fact it is far more likely than not that my people have been Catholic centuries longer than yours, but I understand that Western Christians don’t understand the word “Catholic” (a Greek word btw), thinking it only means you Latins, and thus the decision here on FR that the Orthodox are not “Catholic”, however anhistorical and nonsensical that is. In any event, I did not notice the designation.


11 posted on 04/06/2016 5:10:09 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

I know what the word “Catholic” means. Yet your people seem to deliberately avoid that term to describe themselves. They pride themselves on their schism.


12 posted on 04/06/2016 5:16:44 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
"Yet your people seem to deliberately avoid that term to describe themselves"

Where in heavens name did you get that idea? As we pray everyday in the original Creed, we are the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church." We've been praying it longer than you folks; in fact, we taught it to you.

13 posted on 04/06/2016 5:22:51 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
You don't profess the same Creed as Roman Catholics. And I think you know that very well: it's one of the tenants of your schismatic "religion".
14 posted on 04/06/2016 5:36:44 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Kolokotronis

Why does you religion allow divorce and remarriage?

Can you quote the Bible on that?


15 posted on 04/06/2016 5:40:36 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

“Why does you religion allow divorce and remarriage?”

Because it is a fallen world, a bishop, by economia, may allow both an ecclesiastical divorce and remarriage. Christ made an exception too, remember? The Church believes that it is empowered to grant economia as an expression of compassion in this fallen world. Even +John Chrysostomos said “...“better to break the covenant than to lose one’s soul”.


16 posted on 04/06/2016 5:51:36 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
If it's a fallen world, why not permit homo marriages, along with divorce and remarrige? BTW when did the "orthodox" allow such divorce and subsequent adultery? It seems like you can accept you own bishop's ruling on your marriage, What happens when a different orthodox bishop rules otherwise? Who is you leader, Putin?
17 posted on 04/06/2016 6:20:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

I suppose we don’t recognize “homo” marriage because in The Garden it was Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. In any event, we don’t recognize any marriages not performed in The Church and as you know, The Church has no “homo” marriage sacrament.

I’m afraid I can’t understand the rest of your post.


18 posted on 04/06/2016 6:29:10 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
In any event, we don’t recognize any marriages not performed in The Church and as you know, The Church has no “homo” marriage sacrament.

I realize that. But the real Catholic Church, unlike a schismatic "church", does not bless up to three marriages by the same person.

19 posted on 04/06/2016 6:54:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
In any event, we don’t recognize any marriages not performed in The Church and as you know, The Church has no “homo” marriage sacrament.

And it's apparent that y'all don't even recognize marriages performed in your "church", since you guys get three strikes before you're out. No questions asked.

20 posted on 04/06/2016 7:00:58 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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