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To: imardmd1
No, I do not accept the human rationalization that Mary's virginal status was changed because of birth. As a confessional Lutheran, I reject that idea.

Oh, come on! It is the idea of rejecting the consequences ofbearing a child and the accompanying ripping of the flesh that makes your position a rather piquing idiotic rationalization, not the plain sense, common sense position of the straight-forward interpreter of Scripture takes.

Straight-forward interpretation of scripture? What? Extrapolation is not interpretation. Where scripture is silent, you extrapolate with human reasoning. Folly.

Confessional Lutherans believe, teach, and confess based on Biblical Truths. In this case it is about The Person of Christ.

Don't yield yourself to the Martin Luther image as presented by his disciples; yield your heart to Jesus, and Him alone.

We do not worship or give Martin Luther our heart. He had many things right and he had some things wrong. As confessional Lutherans, we hold to the Book of Concord, which was not written exclusively by Martin Luther.

Lutheranism can't save you

Of course not. We are saved by grace, through faith, for works.

Thanks for the discussion, but we are talking past one another.

735 posted on 03/16/2016 8:26:32 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin; imardmd1; daniel1212
When another religion (and that's what catholiciism as evolved into) raises the Mother of Jesus to a demi-goddess status, in effect raising a phantom to share the Holy Righteousness of God and Jesus, then the 'traditions' are heresies and in fact blasphemous. By the scriptures we learn that Jesus Christ is the ONLY mediator between man and God. Catholiciism has evolved to holding Mary the Mother of Jesus as 'another mediator'. She has been given pagan rites status via statuary to which devout catholics are instructed to bow and offer their prayers to.

Catholicism has formulated a complete anathema to the communion Jesus instituted the night before His sac4rifice for us, imbuing the catholiciism priesthood with powers to continuously sacrifice Jesus and feed Him in 'real presence' body, blood, SOUL and Divinity into the gastronomic tracts of sincere catholics, to get god-life into them. This is blasphemous. That so many cannot see it as blasphemous and seek to twist the clear meaning of Scriptures in order to support the blasphemy ought to alarm Christians.

That such blasphemies and heretical teachings such as on the veneration of Mary do not offend Christians is a symptom of ignorance among the true ekklesia. It is not a fault to be laid at the feet of true believers, it is merely a sign of the end times ... spiritual darkness is growing more and more pervasive.

Personally, I do not believe Jesus entered the world via the birth canal. This is my own speculation and as such is a mental gymnastic of my own reasoning. It does not go beyond that though and deny the strong hints in Scripture (The Word of God to us) that Mary fulfilled her marriage vows with Joseph after Jesus's birth. Catholiciism does go far beyond such mental gymnastics, fashioning a form of Nimrod and Samiramis cultic fantasy upon the life of Mary and the ministry of Jesus, imbuing the Mother of Jesus with status as 'mother of god, and lending to her powers of a goddess! If a Christian will not oppose such blasphemies when seen for what they are, it hints of serious immaturity in that new born-from-above.

There is a reason that God tells us through Paul to foresake not the gathering together of yourselves. But when that gathering falls into a man-made institutionalization and tracks off into fantasies which empower the men rather than The Gospel of Grace, well, we see what catholiciism has wrought!

737 posted on 03/16/2016 9:22:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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