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That’s not entirely true. One is not allowed to proselytize someone sixteen or younger. I worked with a Jewish-Christian ministry in Israel and yes I was grilled at the airport but they knew the deal and let me in. I was cursed at and had things thrown at me on the beach in Tel Aviv but many more people were actually attentive and listened as most are full on secular. Someone from Israel has no limitations on their ability to speak for Christ/ Yeshua but a foreigner can as long as it is not a child or under sixteen. Many Christian organizations do not evangelize and if asked hold to a dual covenant position so as to remain in the good graces of the government bureaucrats avoiding visa problems and such. But that position is untenable.

But personally I find supercessionism/ replacement theology to be a curse and both an effect and a cause of spiritual blindness that will have detrimental effects on Christians as it already has in the past due to church tradition and poor theology. It almost becomes a major/ salvation issue if it causes people to side with the world and the powers of darkness and against God in defending one’s idol of false belief and tradition. This will become more apparent as the days get darker and people will be forced to get off the fence and take sides. I realize this issue is extremely divisive - I’ve had many good Christian friends who would be in tears as we disagree on this issue over reform theology and covenant theology in this regard. It remains an issue for this generation. Calvin and people in the past had their issues of the day and when in came to the physical people and nation of Israel and the Hebrew people he had zero comments to make in regards to Romans chapters 9 through 11. He justed skipped over it because it didn’t fit. This generation doesn’t have that luxury. I’ll never understand how so many Christians would literally hold on to in defense of their traditional historical theological positions so tightly as to possibly be found fighting against God’s plans for the Hebrew people and the nations and in fulfillment of the promises made to them at hos prerogative; when even the Pharisees and leaders in Israel regarding the early Christians and apostles were not so blind and stiff necked as many contemporary Christians and Christian leaders. Nothing personal.


57 posted on 03/10/2016 11:05:40 AM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: Sheapdog
But personally I find supercessionism/ replacement theology

No such thing. Replacement theology is a slur for the biblical doctrine that the church has always been the same church in history, and that only the Elect of all peoples are the exclusive children of God, not a secular state.

That’s not entirely true. One is not allowed to proselytize someone sixteen or younger.

Maybe, but in practice people are arrested and deported for speaking freely about Christ in Israel:

"An Israeli immigration judge has ordered the deportation of a Messianic Jewish man from England who was arrested last week for taking part in an evangelistic event in southern Israel... According to his wife, Alison Barnett, six immigration control officers took him from Be'er Shiva, 125 kilometers (78 miles) south of Jerusalem, to an immigration office in Omer, just outside of the city. He was held there for several hours without charge, then transferred to an immigration-holding unit of a prison in Ramle, near Tel Aviv. He spent four days in jail before his court hearing.

"As an Israeli, I have been proud that our country allows for freedom of religion," he said. "Yet those who seized Barry and took him to prison have done a shameful thing." According to Sered, the presiding judge ruled that Barnett was not allowed to engage in "missionary activity" while in Israel.

"They did not really give a reason why they detained him," Sered told Morning Star News. "All they said is that he was doing 'missionary activity.' That is correct, he was doing missionary activity, and that is legal to do in Israel."

The reason the state of Israel gave for his deportation, he said, was that Barnett was engaging in missionary activity and not regular tourist activity on a B2 tourist visa.

"But the global ethics code for tourism, which the state of Israel signed and even advertises on its own Ministry of Tourism Web page, states that tourism for the purpose of exchanging religious beliefs is not only valid but also should be encouraged," Sered said. "Therefore, his deportation and arrest by the state of Israel was done without a real legal cause."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2013/november/israel-orders-deportation-of-jews-for-jesus-missionary.html

We all know there's no crime for religious Jews to proselytize anyone they want, but they'll find any pretext to get rid of a Christian. It's just a sad fact of that country.

he had zero comments to make in regards to Romans chapters 9 through 11. He justed skipped over it because it didn’t fit.

Those chapters prove that "not all Israel is Israel," but "the children of the promise" are the heirs of God. Whoever just skipped right over them was either painfully ignorant of his own theology, or else you're exaggerating, having never debated anyone in your life on what is clearly taught in scripture.

58 posted on 03/10/2016 11:17:10 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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