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1 posted on 03/07/2016 10:29:23 PM PST by Lera
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(Psalms 122:6) Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.


2 posted on 03/07/2016 10:30:43 PM PST by Lera (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse".

The Lord wasn't talking about Hamas in that verse.
3 posted on 03/07/2016 10:39:46 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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Scripture is quite clear that those who bless the seed of Abraham will themselves be blessed

The Seed of Abraham and the inheritor of all of God's promises is Jesus Christ:

Gal_3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And we, through Christ, become the seeds of Abraham:

"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal 3:27-29)

Unbelieving Jews are not members of the Israel of God, but only according to the flesh:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." (Rom 9:6-8)

It is, therefore, complete nonsense, from the Christian perspective, to claim that we are obligated to "love" and "bless" Israel, a secular state, merely because of their relation to Abraham according to the flesh, when the promises and scripture they cite apply to the Christians instead. It is also pretty offensive for religious Jews to attempt to lecture to Christians such doctrine that is contrary to our faith in Christ.

The reason the PCUSA is falling isn't because they picked a fight with "Israel." It's because they're doctrinally liberal, which, only coincidentally, also means they support such things as boycotts against Israel. People were leaving the PCUSA over gay pastors long before anything about Israel ever came up. But, supposedly, we're supposed to believe that by some magic, or by God's divine wrath, it was the moment they boycotted Jewish goods that suddenly these churches started going downhill. It's quite arrogant.

4 posted on 03/07/2016 10:40:25 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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Church/State


7 posted on 03/07/2016 10:59:41 PM PST by 80skid
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Scripture is quite clear that those who bless the seed of Abraham will themselves be blessed, but those who curse them will be judged. (Genesis 12.3) It is perfectly evident that both Methodists and Presbyterians, tragically now more influenced by worldly wisdom than biblical values, are under a curse of their own making.

I agree with this but it goes much deeper than their mistreatment of the Jewish people.

They have abandoned the very scriptures that are the foundations of doctrine.

They have abandoned Christian morals. They have abandoned Christ.

They have become the false prophets of the book of Revelations.

They will be cast in to the Lake of Fire and curse the day they were born.

8 posted on 03/07/2016 11:02:58 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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There are spiritual laws and principles that cannot be broken without consequence.

Granted we live in an age of grace and are reconciled with God that way, but just as there are physical laws that govern our material universe, there are spiritual laws that apply.

Breaking those spiritual laws will have consequences, just as jumping off a building will have consequences when the law of gravity kicks in.


9 posted on 03/07/2016 11:06:47 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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Yes, for to be a Christian is to be a Zionist.


10 posted on 03/07/2016 11:12:17 PM PST by opus1 (google is not the font of all wisdom)
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People are leaving the PCUSA in droves, because they realize that the PCUSA ruling elite has been hijacked by Satanic Legions

People are not stupid. Some stayed in PCUSA figuring they could get it back onto a good Christian path again. But it has been a number of years and PCUSA continues its descent into Hell ... despite the best efforts of the good Presbyterian Christians trying to restore their church from the inside

So, they’re leaving it. Fortunately, there are still a number of very good Christian churches including some Calvinist-influenced denominations outside of PCUSA, that the good faithful God-loving or God-fearing Presbyterians can go to.


11 posted on 03/07/2016 11:17:13 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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Churches are also under a curse because of their rejection of God’s commands regarding sexual purity.


14 posted on 03/07/2016 11:47:01 PM PST by kaehurowing
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Love the Jews, but not their dead Christ-hating religion.

Memorized the whole NT book of Hebrews so as a help in explaining the meaning of our jointly shared Scriptures to them.

Also understand that America's turn against the reinstituted Israel is merely a fulfillment of eschatological prophecy, as well as the US not turning only from Israel, but from God and His Christ as well. As prophesied.

15 posted on 03/07/2016 11:48:10 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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An internal report from the Presbyterian Church USA, noted for its anti-Israel stance, predicts that it stands to lose 400,000 members over the next five years...

PCUSA also has gone pro-sodomy.

America needs a spiritual awakening.

16 posted on 03/08/2016 2:19:57 AM PST by SoFloFreeper (I am undecided between Cruz, Rubio & Trump...)
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I think Protestant Churches are cursed because they’re not Catholic.

Novus Ordo Catholic Churches are cursed for accepting Vatican II and the New Mass.


21 posted on 03/08/2016 3:58:38 AM PST by VitacoreVision
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Amazing how they can love sodomites and not Jews. Organized religion is showing what it really is.


23 posted on 03/08/2016 4:15:26 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else.)
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When a large number of American Jews are indifferent to Israel's fate - 70% of Jews voted for Obama in 2012 - I can't summon up a lot of shock and disappointment about what churches have done.
24 posted on 03/08/2016 4:34:39 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon (Will Trump's inaugural address be longer than 140 characters??)
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You don’t think the PCUSA’s long-standing support of abortion has anything to do with it? Seriously?


25 posted on 03/08/2016 4:53:10 AM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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Nonsense. These so called churches are bleeding members primarily because they have abandoned the most basic tenets of Christian morality and reduced themselves to little more than far left social clubs.

Although they do have very nice stained glass windows.


30 posted on 03/08/2016 7:28:55 AM PST by NRx (Ceterum censeo Trump delendum esse.)
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