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To: soycd

I categorically reject, your perception that the Bible has been revised by logic and reason. But we can agree to disagree on that.

However, about your question regarding women preaching, the Bible is clear that it all goes back to Eve’s deception in the Garden.

Here is an old quote on this topic from the well-known evangelist, Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980):

“And again Paul says that the weakness of a woman and her aptness to be misled is shown because “Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” Satan found he could deceive Eve easier than he could deceive Adam. God made a woman after such a fashion that she should be a comfortable and obedient helpmeet, a mate who would fit to his will and plans.

“So, in the nature of the case, women are not as well fitted for executive authority. If women are more easily led, they are not as good leaders. Every pastor knows that women are easier to enlist in good work. But careful observers must admit that women are also easier led into false doctrine and into errors of various kinds.

“But the argument here in 1 Timothy 2:14 is that Satan was able to deceive Eve when he could not deceive Adam, and that this is an evidence that women should not be placed in authority in churches and in Christian work. If he could deceive Eve easier in the Garden of Eden, he could deceive women easier now. This means that women leaders are more likely to lead into heresy in doctrine and unscriptural practice than men. Women are not fitted to teach men or usurp authority over men, says this Scripture.

“But also, in verse 15, God has a special duty and privilege for women in childbearing. If they submit themselves to God’s plan in humility and meekness, then they shall be rescued, and preserved, when pangs of childbirth are come upon them. When godly women have found sweet comfort and ease and help in the time when they go down into the valley of the shadows to bring forth a child for the Lord, receiving help from God because they were willing to take a woman’s place in submission.

“Let us consider carefully verses 11 and 12.

1. The woman is to learn in silence, with all subjection.

2. A woman is not to teach. Certainly not to teach men, but evidently not to teach general groups, including men.

3. A woman is never to have authority over men.

4. And then again it is emphasized that a woman is to be “in silence” in such public services.

“We know well that God does not want Christian women to remain silent outside the mixed public service. Titus 2:3,4 plainly commands “the aged women likewise . . . that they may teach the young women.” Here we are plainly told that old women may teach young women, and should do so. But they are to teach them, among other things, “to be obedient to their own husbands” (v. 5). Women are to be in silence, then, as far as teaching the whole church is concerned, or teaching men, or groups including men, but older women may teach younger women.

“...So when Paul said, “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence,” it seems clear to me he is forbidding a woman to take a place as a public teacher of men. A woman is to be silent in the public assembly in the sense that she is not to teach as an official of the church. She particularly is to be silent as far as teaching men is concerned. That is plainly forbidden. No woman, according to this passage, is to be allowed to teach a class of men, or to teach a mixed class including men, nor to teach the church in a public assembly, including men.

“It is equally clear that no woman is to take a place as an official of a church, having authority over men. No woman could be pastor of a church, according to this plain verse. To do so would be a usurpation of authority that was forbidden her.”

“In New Testament churches a woman’s place was to be taught, not to teach. A woman’s place was to be silent, not to be a public speaker. A woman’s place was to be in submission, and not to be in authority. Certainly this Scripture forbids any woman to be a preacher or pastor or evangelist.”

SOURCE: Dr. John R. Rice; quote from Bobbed Hair, Bossy Wives, and Women Preachers; pg. 41-43; copyright 1941 by SWORD OF THE LORD publishers, Murfreesboro, Tennessee; ISBN 0-87398-065-4


31 posted on 03/02/2016 4:33:04 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Good luck with that kind of degradation of women. It just ain’t gonna float on the biggest of trial balloons. Just imagine if that kind of thinking and rules were to infiltrate a governing body of citizens.

You might as well wrap the women in burkas, forbid driving and going shopping without a male escort.


35 posted on 03/02/2016 4:47:57 PM PST by soycd
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