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To: annalex; Salvation; Springfield Reformer; Iscool; Elsie; imardmd1; metmom; HossB86; Alamo-Girl; ...
Are you even open to reason? Let's find out ...

When God breathed into Adam, what did Adam become? Please keep in mind the reference Jesus gave to Nicodemus regarding the Holy Spirit being like the wind ... Adam became a living soul, not just a soul like the other creatures on the Planet, a living soul -Life in the soul as a spirit not yet encumbered by sin.

In Leviticus there is law given to not eat the blood of the creature because the life is in the blood. When Cain slew Abel, what cried out from the ground? ... The blood of the innocent, for the life of the creature Abel was in his blood. All creation groaneth awaiting the new World God will bring that is without sin. Do the creatures of the world have a spirit, or only a soul? ... the Bible teaches that man is body, soul, and spirit. It does not teach that animals have a spirit.

What did Jesus tell His disciples profiteth for the spiritual life? ... He told them that His words were spirit and life. He had just stymied the twisters and chasers after a sign by exposing their limits of seeing only the soul and body, the body in which the life is in the blood. To His disciples He gave deeper instruction, showing them that He came to give SPIRITUAL LIFE to those who faithe in Him, that consuming the body gave no spiritual life for the Words He speaks to them they are spirit and LIFE. [John 6]

When a catholic eats the catholic wafer, is it to get the life of the physical body of Jesus into themselves? ... Jesus is occupying His physical body presently and forever more. It had the wounds from the crucifixion in that body when Jesus told Thomas to stretch forth his hand to the wound in Jesus's side. Jesus is in that body drawing life from The Father, as He explained to His disciples in John 6, that the life He lives is drawn fromt he Father. The life of the creature is in the blood; the Life in Jesus is in The Spirit. And it is THAT LIFE which Jesus came to give to us who are from fallen Adam, for in the day that Adam fell, the Spirit life went out of his spirit. He remained physically alive, with his blood coarsing through his body, but in that day he surely did die! Satan's lie was that in the day they sinned they would not surely die: the lie conflated spirit life with creature life. The catholic Eucharist does something very similar, claiming the catholic eats the very body and blood of Jesus in the catholic wafer.

When a young man came to Jesus and asked what else he need do to inherit eternal life, what happened? ... When the young man turned away and the disciples asked Jesus if they should go after him, what did Jesus tell them? ... Let the dead go bury the dead. Jesus referred to the lack of spirit life in their human spirits. The young man walked away a dead soul but living body.

When Nicodemus came to Jesus asking about spiritual things, Jesus told him that a man must be born again, born from above. We know this did not mean a man must enter again into a mother's womb and be born in body again, so we reason that Jesus was referring to being born from above by God placing in the man's spirit that which went out with Adam, Life more abundantly. Adam could pass to his children the place for spirit life, but only God conveys Spirit Life to the human spirit we inherited from Adam.

If you walk into the cathedral and receive the Eucharist, is your blood dead? No, but unless you have been born from above, your spirit is in a state of deadness, for only the spirit Life God offers can make you alive forever more in Christ. You do not consume the actual flesh and blood of Jesus, but by faithing in what He did for you on the cross you are remembering the Life that is not in the blood but in the Spirit. Being born from above is not an act of endless repetition for you. Once you are born from above you are in the family of Jesus. When you partake of the communion you are acknowledging your allegiance and reliance upon The Life in your spirit, there by the Promise of God in response to your believing in the One God sent for your spirit to have Life.

Jesus would not violate the very laws He came to fulfill, and especially would not cause His disciples to commit such a violation against Levitical Laws on the night before He went to the cross to be the only propitiation possible for sin, The Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world. The Lamb of God was without spot or blemish thus thesinless sacrifice ...

229 posted on 02/27/2016 6:09:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (Democrats bait then switch; their fishy voters buy it every time.)
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To: MHGinTN; Salvation; Springfield Reformer; Iscool; Elsie; imardmd1; metmom; HossB86; Alamo-Girl
consuming the body gave no spiritual life for the Words He speaks to them they are spirit and LIFE

You are paraphrasing John 6:64 (your numbering might be wrong):

It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.

No one is making an argument that the eating of "the catholic wafer" profits the body. It is an act of faith that shapes our souls. So the points you are making come from the ignorance of the scripture and ignorance of the authentic Christianity.

The life of the creature is in the blood; the Life in Jesus is in The Spirit

That is Gnostic nonsense. Christ very much died the death of a body, physical body. If you think that the Eucharist has nothing to do with the body of Christ, not only are you denying His words, you are also denying that the death on the Cross was physical death, and that the torture was physical torture.

. Being born from above is not an act of endless repetition for you

One must be baptized - born from above - in order to receive the Eucharist, true. One cannot be re-baptized, also true. But one can re-affirm the baptismal promise and in fact one is asked to at Mass. This is why the holy water is at the entrance.

233 posted on 02/27/2016 6:28:17 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: MHGinTN
When you partake of the communion you are acknowledging your allegiance and reliance upon The Life in your spirit, there by the Promise of God in response to your believing in the One God sent for your spirit to have Life.

This is indeed part of what we believe. We believe that we receive the Spirit of God which gives us life every time we take communion. The fact that we also believe we are receiving His Body and Blood does not negate the fact that we are receiving His Spirit. Jesus was fully God and fully human. We believe we are receiving Him in His entirety, spiritually and physically, in the Eucharist.

In Leviticus there is law given to not eat the blood of the creature because the life is in the blood....Jesus would not violate the very laws He came to fulfill, and especially would not cause His disciples to commit such a violation against Levitical Laws...

This is exactly why we are told to eat the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist. Christ is the fulfillment of the law. Drinking the blood of other creatures was forbidden because it was a pagan ritual believed to give the drinker the characteristics of the animal that they thought to be a god. It was the ultimate form of worship of a false god.

The prohibition was not against the ritual itself, but against its target being a false god. Just as the pagan use of temples, prayer, and vestments did not preclude their use by Jews in the worship of the True God, it was not the action but the object which was the problem.

Jesus is God. The ultimate form of worship is not only allowed but required when it is to HIM. Jesus broke many written laws, but never sinned, because breaking the law is not necessarily a sin.

Jesus' breaking of a law CANNOT be sin, but that doesn't mean He never broke a law. Whenever Jesus' actions contradict a law, we know that that law was not God's law, but man's. Jesus and his disciples broke many laws. They associated with taxpayers, they ate without the proper washing rituals, they allowed for good works on the Sabbath, and ultimately, according to everything the high priests believed, He blasphemed. We know that their interpretation of the law was wrong, exactly because we know it could not apply to Jesus since He is God.

Likewise, when Jesus said, 'Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you', He was showing in the most profound way that He was the Christ, God Incarnate, the only God whose flesh and blood it was permissible to eat, because He is the One True God who can actually share Himself with us that way, voluntarily, and on His terms.

Love,
O2

251 posted on 02/27/2016 7:16:51 PM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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