What Does It Mean to Be an Enemy of the Cross?

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-22-16 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[terycarl]

You need a new tagline old son.

Not a chance....someone recommended it to me years after I had been posting here and it has stuck ever since.

[terycarl]

If the person realizes what he/she is doing and what the differences in beliefs are, I’d say that it was a SERIOUS defamation of the Eucharist and would be an INTENTIONAL act against Christ. Who cares what You'd say?

Christ.

[terycarl]

So you're also saying that Jesus sinned? Correct?

You be the judge!!

[terycarl]

You saying that Jesus sinned???? Just asking.

Your call, I merely pointed out the situation.

[imardmd1]

. . . atheists and others can be saved if they “imitate” Christ while rejecting Him as savior and Lord . . .

It's a miracle.

[daniel1212]

Nowhere in the law is it a violation for the TRUE Messiah to claim to be the Son of God. Messianic prophecy already was written that He would be "God with us".

There was no violation of Jewish (OT) law by Christ, but those who sat in the seat of Moses violated OT law by not recognizing Christ as being God, and thus worshiping Him, while contrary to RC teaching common people recognized both men and writings as being of God without an infallible magisterium to tell them that, and the church began in dissent from the historical magisterial stewards of Scripture, who, like RCs, rejected men of God who reproved them as having no authority.

[daniel1212]

Well, after all, they are kind of obligated to follow their pope. They do consider him to be Christ’s representative on earth.

No they aren't, except in proclamations made ex cathedra, and you know that...why misrepresent it??

Which is one more example of the variant beliefs of RCs, and this one is as bereft of documentation as the last one i challenged you on. Would you like some education on the subject as well as examples of variant RC interpretations? Just ask.

[Springfield Reformer]

No one is making an argument that the eating of "the catholic wafer" profits the body. It is an act of faith that shapes our souls. So the points you are making come from the ignorance of the scripture and ignorance of the authentic Christianity.

I don't think we are saying the wafer profits the body, or that Catholics believe the wafer profits the body.  Our approach to John 6:63 (KJV versification) is that Jesus is contrasting what gives the benefit, not what receives it.  It is a parallelism.  The spirit makes alive. The flesh has no such effect.  This is supported by the active voice of the word "profit," in that the flesh is not the giver of profit.  The "profit" has already been defined in the first clause, the "quickening," the making alive. That's the profit the flesh does NOT provide.  This is very clear.  Then he goes on to what DOES make alive, His words, because they are spirit, therefore they are life.  

This comes nowhere close to expressing a ritual use of bread and wine that somehow becomes body and flesh in some way that is not a metaphor and not a physical reality either. It is instructive that in the Catholic model it is easier to say what it is not than what it is. Thomism creates a third category, not spiritual, not physical, which justifies speaking about a physical object as if it were Christ in some way beyond metaphor, so that the object may be worshiped, but not physical, to avoid the charge of cannibalism, and so avoid Jesus directing His disciples to commit sin against the divine law.

However, the contested passage does not support this hypothetical category.  As indicated above, Jesus is not explaining the wafer in John 6. He is explaining Himself as the source of life.  His incarnation and His atonement were essential in providing that life, so there is no gnosticism here.  But the means of acquiring it is not to eat His flesh as men understand that, but to feed on His words, that is, to have faith in Him, and what he has done for us. It is this spiritual activity of faith in Him that gives life. The eating of flesh provides no such benefit.

And it is Peter at the end of this discourse who demonstrates he truly understands the meaning, because he commends himself to those life-giving words of Christ, the words that give eternal life. He has moved into a full understanding of the eating metaphor, and applied it correctly to having faith in Jesus, not a wafer.

Peace,

SR

[daniel1212]

Just when you think you’ve heard it all, someone has to come along and prove you haven’t.

I recently had a RC tell me she personally heard "from the Father, Son and The Holy Spirit, Verbally, in their personal speaking voices," and telling her that one is Wolf in Sheeps clothing if they are "mean" (as in reproving Rome, or an RC defending her), while other RCs attack the very concept of claiming personally esoteric surety as to what a Bible verse refers to.

[annalex]

No.

In a trivial example, if I watch a documentary of Kennedy being shot, I do not re-assassinate Kennedy.

[annalex]

I go by the gospel that describes it. If you don’t like what the gospel says, write your own.

[annalex]

how could Jesus, who had not yet died, given them His own risen blood to drink

I have no clue. It is a matter of faith. Don't you guys think faith is important? I do.

[annalex]

Jewish Law IS Mosaic Law.

So, do Christians eat ham and lobster or not?

[annalex]

That’s what I am calling all these Protestants to do: to believe in Jesus.

[annalex]

what is "the Lord's body"?

That, the Gospel does not say. But it does say that the Eucharist is His body. You spirit of inquiry is endearing, but all I do is read the Holy Scripture so that to enlighten you who don't. It is commonly held that the Eucharist contains the body, soul and the divinity of Christ, because it does not seem that "this is my body" in any way separates the entirety of the Second Person of the Trinity from the purely physical components of it.

The rest of your post is amusing but lacks focus. Is there a question to me in it? With all respect, I do not tell you what my opinions are and I equally don't care what your opinions are. If you want to learn what the Catholic Church teaches through the Holy Scripture, I'd be happy to answer. If you want me to learn about your religion, I am fine with mine, thank you.

[annalex]

Yeah, that looks vaguely Catholic. Thanks.

[annalex]

. In CANNOT save him because no one is saved by their works of righteousness but by faith in Jesus Christ

Correct. So the faith present in the works saves him despite the declarative faith being to the contrary, whereas declarative faith not present in the works does nothing. Compare:

A certain man had two sons; and coming to the first, he said: Son, go work today in my vineyard. And he answering, said: I will not. But afterwards, being moved with repentance, he went. And coming to the other, he said in like manner. And he answering, said: I go, Sir; and he went not. Which of the two did the father' s will? They say to him: The first. Jesus saith to them: Amen I say to you, that the publicans and the harlots shall go into the kingdom of God before you. (Matthew 21:28-31)

Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me. (Matthew 25:37-40)

[annalex]

Nowhere in the law is it a violation for the TRUE Messiah to claim to be the Son of God

Well, no, but the claim of being the Son of God and the Messiah at the same time is a violation of the Jewish Law.

[Mark17]

You are confused.

That sir, is an understatement of Biblical proportions. Remember only true Christians will go to Heaven. It will be a VERY exclusive place, but at least we will all be of kindred spirit.
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