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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

**Did you catch that - the Holy Spirit is called “He”, a force or power is not a HE. A person is a He. The Holy Spirit hears, the Holy Spirit speaks. These are attributes of a person.**

Of course I caught that. You just didn’t seem to catch that the Holy Ghost is a complete servant of God the Father, just as the Son of God is.........

“Howbeit when the he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall NOT speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.” vs 13.

Sound familiar?....”For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.’ Jn 12:49

Both are attributes of God the Father, that are sent by the Father to do his will. We can’t relate to having such utterly amazing attributes since we are not the omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient God.

**Jesus Christ is God,**

Jesus Christ called himself the Son of God. Are you wiser than him?

**one of the attributes of God is He isn’t created. John 1 tells us the Word was God.**

And once again, the divine Words that came out of the Son of God’s mouth originated where?

**So Jesus could not have been made because it tells us nothing was made without Jesus, which would include Jesus.**

Is that some sort of circular reasoning?....once again here’s the Word:

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” Col. 1:15.

“..These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;” Rev. 3:14

The Father was in him, giving power to create, unless you think that the Father didn’t make anything.

**Notice Jesus doesn’t say I am the first and the last because the Father is in me. No, he flat out declares his deity.**

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass...” Rev. 1:1

He is the voice of God the Father. He flat out defined the Godhead to John and the other apostles decades before Revelation. They already knew that the omnipresent Father was in him, giving him power and majesty. That’s why, in Isaiah 9:6, the Son is called Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the EVERLASTING FATHER, and the Prince of peace.

You apparently believe that God the Father literally sits on one throne, and Jesus Christ literally sits on his own throne right beside the Father. What’s you understanding of this?.........

“And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” Rev. 4:2

The next verses seem to describe a image on the throne similar to that of Jesus Christ in chapter 1. Chapter 3:21 seems to point out that the Son’s throne is IN the Father’s throne. It is all very hard for people in a finite physical world to understand. But, try we do.

Yes, I’m Oneness Pentecostal.


49 posted on 02/07/2016 10:05:59 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

Thanks for your honesty.

Oneness is impossible because Jesus prays to his Father in John 17 and many other verses show quite clearly two separate persons.

For example, at the baptism of Jesus.

The other huge problem you have of course, is the Church left behind by the Apostles believed in the Trinity.

When was the first post Apostolic age person to teach Oneness?

Wasn’t in the 19th century?


50 posted on 02/08/2016 5:08:05 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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