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To: chuckles
When Constantine and Augustine fornicated with the church

Huh? Augustine was the inspiration for your so-called "reformation".

she became the go to prostitute for thousands of years and murdered anyone that tried to get out from under them.

Since heresy wasn't a capital crime until the 12th century (and then only in some places) how exactly did that work?

Why would Christians murder so many Christians?

Why don't you ask Henry VIII and Elizabeth I why they murdered so many Catholics?

1 Tim speaks of Jesus being the only Mediator

Then why does the chapter start by commanding intercessory prayer, a form of mediation?

32 posted on 01/27/2016 8:08:45 AM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Campion
Your whole screed is missing an important fact,....The RC church started when Roman Caesars took it over. That's why they call it Roman catholic. It was when Rome took the church in about 400 AD that the church became Roman. I don't want to be mean, but Catholics aren't Christians according to the Bible. The church fell to government control where Rome mixed Babylon idol worship and other forbidden rites in with the true religion. Read the Scriptures about the Whore of Babylon and her fate in Revelation. Christians were fed to the lions, crucified, burned, and slaughtered by the sword for literally thousands of years by the RC church.

Your argument is not with me but with God and history.

47 posted on 01/27/2016 11:59:52 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Campion; chuckles
Since heresy wasn't a capital crime until the 12th century (and then only in some places) how exactly did that work?

Not for heresy, but early on you have Catholicism employing or relying on the use of the sword of men to deal with foes in church matters, even with Damasus 1 hiring a murderous band of thugs to secure his seat.

Why don't you ask Henry VIII and Elizabeth I why they murdered so many Catholics?

Yet it is RCs who are found here commending such by Rome, and or apparently hoping for a RC monarchy to suppress us.

Then why does the chapter start by commanding intercessory prayer, a form of mediation? Which simply does not refute the charge and translate into there being another heavenly intercessor besides the only One the Holy Spirit teaches of, (1Tim. 2:15) and points us to, who ever lives to do so, thanks be to God. (Heb. 2:19; 4:15; 7:25) And despite approx 200 prayers in Scripture, the Holy Spirit does not even record one single prayer or offering by believers to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord, to whom believers have direect access to by the sinless shed blood of the Divine Son of God. (Heb. 10:19)

Instead, prayer to created beings is only seen among pagans in Scripture, and is a late development in Jewish history.

This was an innovation, as Salomon Reinach nicely observes: "Pagans prayed to the dead, Christians prayed for the dead." Now, it is of course true that beliefs and mentalities do not change overnight, so it should come as no surprise that we do find instances, particularly in the domain of popular belief, in which non-Christians prayed for the suffering dead in the other world....

These practices developed around the beginning of the Christian era. They were a phenomenon of the times, particularly noticeable in Egypt, the great meeting ground for peoples and religions. Traveling in Egypt around 50 s.c., Diodorus of Sicily was struck by the funerary customs: "As soon as the casket containing the corpse is placed on the bark, the survivors call upon the infernal gods and beseech them to admit the soul to the place received for pious men. The crowd adds its own cheers, together with pleas that the deceased be allowed to enjoy eternal life in Hades, in the society of the good."

"The passage cited earlier from the Second Book of Maccabees, which was composed by an Alexandrian Jew during the half-century preceding Diodorus's journey, should no doubt be seen against this background." It then becomes clear that at the time of Judas Maccabeus--around 170 s.c., a surprisingly innovative period—prayer for the dead was not practiced, but that a century later it was practiced by certain Jews. The Birth of Purgatory By Jacques Le Goff. pp. 45,46 , transcribed using http://www.onlineocr.net.

67 posted on 01/27/2016 8:30:27 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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