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To: verga
You throw around a lot of names and accusations about "Biblically illiterate anti-catholic bigots" but when it comes to accepting the text for what it is regarding if Joseph and Mary had other sons catholics completely overlook or dismiss John 2:12.

As St. Thomas Aquinas say, she is the "go-between," the great matchmaker in the mystical marriage of Christ and the soul.

Show us one clear verse where it says Mary is our go-between...in other words we have to go through Mary to get to Christ.

32 posted on 01/17/2016 12:18:12 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

No need for me to get in a protracted discussion with someone that it appears has already made up their mind I will continue to pray that the Holy Spirit comes into your heart.


48 posted on 01/17/2016 1:36:59 PM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: ealgeone
Mary of the Bible certainly did have other children...

Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.

Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Matthew 12:46-47 "While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother 'and brothers' were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"

Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?"... "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?"

John 2:12 "After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers , and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days."

Acts 1:14 "These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."

1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?

Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother ..

Strong's Concordance

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

adelphos: a brother

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: adelphos

Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')

Short Definition: a brother

Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.

Here is a link to the occurrences of the Greek word *adelphos*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

The word *sister* (adelphe) in the Greek is the same.

http://biblehub.com/greek/79.htm

The word used is *brother* not *cousin*.

It can't mean a member of the same religious community in the context in which they occur, because then that would mean every man in Israel could be identified as Jesus' brother. So that would not identify Jesus as anyone in particular's brother.

It's not going to mean *brother in Christ* as that concept was not yet in place and the Jews, who knew Jesus as a Jew and knew His brothers as Jews, would not even begin to understand the new birth and what being in Christ meant.

They didn't even understand who JESUS was, much less being a *brother in Christ*.

The only definition left then, is to mean physical brother.

And it would not be *cousin*.

The word for *relative* that is used for Elizabeth is *suggenes*, not *adelphe*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/4773.htm

Strong's Concordance

suggenes: akin, a relative

Part of Speech: Adjective

Transliteration: suggenes

Phonetic Spelling: (soong-ghen-ace')

Short Definition: akin, a relative

Definition: akin to, related; subst: fellow countryman, kinsman.

51 posted on 01/17/2016 2:00:22 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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