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To: rwa265
If one is uncomfortable calling Mary the Mother of God, "mother of Jesus" is good enough.

Well, I'm sure the Holy Spirit will be happy to know that He has your approval that His breathed out, inspired Scripture meets with your approval as *good enough*.

It's really too bad that He couldn't have done as good a job as the mere mortals who changed what He did.

But to say that Mary is not the mother of God is refuted by Scripture.

It's not proved by Scripture in the first place. She's given the title *mother of Jesus* by the HOLY SPIRIT, GOD HIMSELF.

WHY is that not good enough for Catholics? Why do they feel the need to amend it?

To clear up supposed problems about who Jesus is?

The identifying phrase *mother of Jesus* was never meant to tell us about who Jesus was, but rather to tell us about who MARY was. It's about identifying which of the several Mary's mentioned in Scripture was the one who bore Jesus.

The claim that changing the title is about clearing up inaccuracies about Jesus just falls flat because when the title was changed to *mother of God* the name of Jesus was removed from the equation. It CAN'T clear up issues about the nature of Jesus when HE isn't even mentioned by name.

When Mary was found to be with child, and the angel of the Lord told Joseph that it was through the Holy Spirit that this child was conceived in her, the child that was conceived in Mary was GOD. When the magi saw the child with Mary His mother, the child to whom they paid homage was GOD. When Joseph took the child and His mother to Egypt that the words of the prophet, "Out of Egypt I called my son," might be fulfilled, that child was GOD. When Joseph took the child and His mother to Nazareth, so that the words of the prophet, "He shall be called a Nazorean," might be fulfilled, that child was GOD. When Gabriel told Mary that she would conceive and bear a son, who she shall name Jesus, that son was GOD. When Elisabeth asked Mary, Why should the mother of my Lord visit me?", that Lord was GOD. When Mary gave birth to Jesus, and the angel of the Lord told the shepherds that today a savior is born, and the shepherds went and found Mary and Joseph, and the infant in the manger, that infant who was born of Mary on that day was GOD. When Simeon took Jesus in his arms, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this child is destined for the fall and rise of many in Israel," that child was GOD. When Mary and Joseph found Jesus in the temple, and His mother said to Him, "Son, why have you done this to us," and Jesus answered, "Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?", it was GOD who was answering His mother.

Scripture references to back up your claims, please.

Just WHERE did any of those situations say that specifically using the word GOD?

The angel told Joseph in a dream that "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel" (which means, God with us).", not GOD period, as you state.

The angels announced "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.", not GOD as you claim.

Elisabeth did not use the word *GOD*, she said *LORD*, a different word in the Greek, again you are wrong.

Simeon said "Lord, now you are letting your servant depart in peace, according to your word; for my eyes have seen your salvation that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples, a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel." And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him. And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, "Behold, this child is appointed for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is opposed (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed." - and again, nowhere did Simeon use the word *GOD* in his prophesying.

Scripture never tells us that GOD answered Mary, but rather JESUS did.

Your claims that it was specifically stated that it was GOD are not supported in the least by Scripture, not in the clarity you claim they have.

870 posted on 01/05/2016 5:47:23 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Do you not believe that Jesus is God, whole and entire?


897 posted on 01/05/2016 6:23:48 PM PST by rwa265
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