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To: terycarl; Forward the Light Brigade; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; ...
An honorable man....and he is indeed honored, but had no physical role in Jesus' conception.

Well, no, duh!!!!!!!!

That's part of the Virgin birth thing going there.

Probably much older than Mary, his relationship with her is pretty much unknown and basically none of our business.

*Probably*? On what basis is that conclusion reached? Because there's not a thing in Scripture that could possibly lead to that conclusion.

And if it's none of our business, then why did the Catholic church make it their business and concoct all kinds of fables about what may or may not have happened between the two of them? Why are Catholics so obsessed with her virginity then?

2,297 posted on 01/13/2016 7:23:19 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
*Probably*? On what basis is that conclusion reached? Because there's not a thing in Scripture that could possibly lead to that conclusion. And if it's none of our business, then why did the Catholic church make it their business and concoct all kinds of fables about what may or may not have happened between the two of them? Why are Catholics so obsessed with her virginity then?

Rome presumes an autocratic right to even subject Scripture to herself, often forced to support here as an abused seravnt. And note that the purported Marian vow of perpetual virginity would normally be Joseph's business, subject to his sanction if made under his headship. Otherwise it would have been subject to her father's sanction.

If a woman also vow a vow unto the Lord, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father's house in her youth; 4 And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand. 5 But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the Lord shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her. 6 And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul;n 7 And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her in the day that he heard it: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand. 8 But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the Lord shall forgive her. 9 But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her. 10 And if she vowed in her husband's house, or bound her soul by a bond with an oath; 11 And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her, and disallowed her not: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she bound her soul shall stand. 12 But if her husband hath utterly made them void on the day he heard them; then whatsoever proceeded out of her lips concerning her vows, or concerning the bond of her soul, shall not stand: her husband hath made them void; and the Lord shall forgive her. 13 Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void.

2,314 posted on 01/13/2016 7:58:56 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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