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To: daniel1212
Now you tell us! Don't do that without a qualifying statement, while i could have provided you with some more , including from the idolator De Montfort. Sorry for rebuking you as if you were engaging in the same, but that was outlandish. On the other hand, i can and do engage in idolatry whenever something created becomes my highest object of spiritual affection, object of allegiance, or source of security, but which is not the same as formally ascribing to created beings what belongs to God alone.

I just read in 1 John "Little children keep yourself from idols. Good Christian humility considers all that might be called an idol in his life just like you do. I have problems too like TV and my Harley and following politics. But this exaltation of Mary leaves me speechless, that's why I just posted the depths of its depravity. I actually appreciate the outrage you and others expressed even if a little was aimed at me (my fault).

But so you know, RCs will deny that, no matter how it looks and sounds, the adulation they engage in is not actually (crossing that fine line into) "adoration," which is worship in Catholic nomenclature, which V2 teaches they and Muslims engage in toward the same God.

Yes I've noticed extensive use of synonyms that mean worship but are not the exact word "worship". Even in the "magnificat(sp)" there is the invention of language with such adulation because she spoke.

As often said, one would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

2,084 posted on 01/12/2016 11:04:09 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: DungeonMaster
Yes I've noticed extensive use of synonyms that mean worship but are not the exact word "worship"

And yet worship as worship toward God versus mere veneration or abased obeisance (such as Joseph's brethren did toward him, but which no NT believer is sanctioned doing, "for all ye are brethren"), is not defined in Scripture by a distinctive word, but by the manner and also sometimes by the content of its expression and residence of its object. For the respective words for worship in Hebrew (shâchâh) and Greek (proskuneō) basically means "to prostrate bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence... [Strong's], thus denoting an act, but which is surely denoted as worship when towards an invisible being, praising, praying or making offerings (as towards the Queen of Heaven in Jer. 44), and or making religious feasts to such, esp. in a sanctified place, swearing by such as their supernatural strength, often with great superlatives and ascribing Divine attributes to said being, including the ability to hear all prayers addressed to the being in Heaven, with a common posture being falling or bowing down.

All of which is seen in Marian "veneration," and none of which save for prostration is seen as being sanctioned toward any created being.

Psa_95:6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.

Rev_4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne...

Rev_19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rev_22:8,9 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Psa_138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

You can ascribe to a created being Divine attributes and or render superlative praise and adulation that is far far above that which given to any created being, and implore, beseech, beg and even make offerings to this heavenly entity in prostration as if she was Deity, but as long as you do not call it worship then it is not. Then in addition you can attempt to support it toward Bible Christians by shamelessly engaging in such egregious extrapolation (from what little is said in Scripture about this mortal) that a cultist should blush at it.

Jer_44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Act_7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Dan_3:5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:

Zep_1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;

2,165 posted on 01/13/2016 6:57:16 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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