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To: DungeonMaster

18 continued: The Holy Spirit could not leave such wonderful and inconceivable dependence of God unmentioned in the Gospel, though he concealed almost all the wonderful things that Wisdom Incarnate did during his hidden life in order to bring home to us its infinite value and glory. Jesus gave more glory to God his Father by submitting to his Mother for thirty years than he would have given him had he converted the whole world by working the greatest miracles. How highly then do we glorify God when to please him we submit ourselves to Mary, taking Jesus as our sole model.


1,932 posted on 01/11/2016 6:29:26 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: DungeonMaster

You are listing numbered items. If these are sourced not in your own authorship, you really should cite the source ...


1,938 posted on 01/11/2016 6:52:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: DungeonMaster

19. If we examine closely the remainder of the life of Jesus Christ, we see that he chose to begin his miracles through Mary. It was by her word that he sanctified Saint John the Baptist in the womb of his mother, Saint Elizabeth; no sooner had Mary spoken than John was sanctified. This was his first and greatest miracle of grace. At the wedding in Cana he changed water into wine at her humble prayer, and this was his first miracle in the order of nature. He began and continued his miracles through Mary and he will continue them through her until the end of time.


1,942 posted on 01/11/2016 7:07:00 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Satan attacks weaklings, by demographic.)
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To: DungeonMaster; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
Jesus gave more glory to God his Father by submitting to his Mother for thirty years than he would have given him had he converted the whole world by working the greatest miracles. How highly then do we glorify God when to please him we submit ourselves to Mary, taking Jesus as our sole model.

Thus making Mary Deity in giving yourself to her with Jesus as your model.

The only one believers are to give themselves to is GOD.

You have just very effectively proved the point we have been making all along about Catholics relationship with Mary and how she's been made into a god(dess).

1,975 posted on 01/11/2016 12:13:13 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: DungeonMaster
Jesus gave more glory to God his Father by submitting to his Mother for thirty years than he would have given him had he converted the whole world by working the greatest miracles. How highly then do we glorify God when to please him we submit ourselves to Mary, taking Jesus as our sole model.

I guess the writer nor the poster isn't familiar with John 17.

This is why Christianity rejects roman catholic tradition.

1,981 posted on 01/11/2016 1:31:40 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: DungeonMaster; MHGinTN; Elsie; kinsman redeemer; metmom
16. God the Father gave his only Son to the world only through Mary. Whatever desires the patriarchs may have cherished, whatever entreaties the prophets and saints of the Old Law may have had for 4,000 years to obtain that treasure, it was Mary alone who merited it and found grace before God by the power of her prayers and the perfection of her virtues.

And just where or where do you see this even intimated in Scripture? Mary was graced - unmerited favor (cf. Eph. 1:6) because of who she carried, and nowhere does it say or infer Mary was chosen due to her meriting it by the by the power of her prayers and the perfection of her virtues??? The Holy Spirit mentions souls like Noah who were "perfect" and upright, and how the Son was sinless, but never says that of holy Mary, and does not even mention her praying until Acts 1. Dare you add to the word of God, and charge the Holy Spirit with inconsistency and neglect, seeing as He is careful to mention exceptions to the norm, even more minor ones (extra fingers, height, longevity, etc.) among less notable characters? And gives to no created being anything close to the exalted superlatives and adulation and attributes ascribed to Mary by Catholic devotees! This thinking sir of mortals far "above that which is written" (1Co. 4:6) is parroting blasphemy, and the Mary of Scripture will condemn it!

17. God the Father imparted to Mary his fruitfulness as far as a mere creature was capable of receiving it, to enable her to bring forth his Son and all the members of his mystical body.

And just where do you see this in Scripture, and or as required? The Holy Spirit speaks of a place being filled with the Holy Spirit so much that men could not stand, and even one the face of Moses shining because of it, but does not even show Mary being prayed to, and overall says very little of her. And nowhere does the Spirit honor Mary one who brought forth all the members of his mystical body, which extrapolation would lead all the way back to Eve!

And as the Lord breathed His pure words thru Adamic men, so the Lord Jesus could have come into this world thru a

18. God the Son came into her virginal womb as a new Adam into his earthly paradise, to take his delight there and produce hidden wonders of grace.God-made-man found freedom in imprisoning himself in her womb.

And just where in Scripture do you see the womb of Mary described as an earthly paradise wherein the Son of God found freedom? Freedom in a womb? Poor God. How nice of you to help the Holy Spirit out to provide what He failed to do in inspiring His written word!

He found his glory and that of his Father in hiding his splendours from all creatures here below and revealing them only to Mary.

And where is this taught or evidenced? Instead, the Spirit mentions the Lord putting the Father's will first in response to her desires. (Lk. 2:49; Jn. 2:4)

Even at his death she had to be present so that he might be united with her in one sacrifice and be immolated with her consent to the eternal Father, just as formerly Isaac was offered in sacrifice by Abraham when he accepted the will of God. It was Mary who nursed him, fed him, cared for him, reared him, and sacrificed him for us.

Wrong, as unlike Abraham with Issac, Mary had no power to prevent Christ from being offered, and a sacrifice is something you control but choose to give up. The Lord said He laid His life down freely, and stayed behind in the temple contrary to the will of His earthly caretakers whom He created with the Father and Spirit, and later had to remind Mary that His obligation was to do His Father's will,(Lk. 2:49; Jn. 2:4) and at least delayed going to her when she wanted to see Him, and equated all who did His Father's will as being His mother and brethren. (Mt. 12:46-50) But with Caths its Mary, Mary, Mary with literally hundreds of superlative titles even blasphemously ascribing uniquely Divine attributes to their demonic (it is) heavenly demigoddess in their cultic unScriptural devotion to the invention they made of a pious, holy Spirit-filled vessel almighty God chose to use. And your wanton ascriptions above what is written have provoked this censure. Go ahead and whine like a liberal if you want.

1,983 posted on 01/11/2016 1:39:48 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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