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And I’m STILL waiting for someone to answer whether the Church gives Scripture it’s authority or whether Scripture gives the Church its authority and which one is authoritative over the other.


1,793 posted on 01/10/2016 11:20:54 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
And I’m STILL waiting for someone to answer whether the Church gives Scripture it’s authority or whether Scripture gives the Church its authority and which one is authoritative over the other.

Catholic doctrine, as authoritatively proposed by the Church, should be held as the supreme law; for, seeing that the same God is the author both of the Sacred Books and of the doctrine committed to the Church, it is clearly impossible that any teaching can by legitimate means be extracted from the former, which shall in any respect be at variance with the latter. Hence it follows that all interpretation is foolish and false which either makes the sacred writers disagree one with another, or is opposed to the doctrine of the Church.(Providentissimus Deus; http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18111893_providentissimus-deus_en.html)

As His premise is fallacious so is his conclusion. For that Scripture is wholly inspired of God is a belief that is essentially due to its Divine qualities and attestation, with many writings of Scripture having already held to be authoritative by the time of Christ, thus the frequent appeals to it as the word of God by Him and the NT church, while Rome rejects that souls can even assuredly know what Scripture consists of and means, as the church alone possesses ensured (if conditional) infallibility. And thus the basis for assurance of the belief that Rome herself is what she claims rest upon the premise of her claimed ensured infallibility.

But as ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility is a novelty, unseen and unnecessary in Scripture, thus the claim that it cannot be contradicted by Scripture, and is actually the supreme law, is fallacious. Moreover, even RC theology does not hold that infallible teachings are wholly inspired of God and thus have it as their author the same way Scripture does, and which is not simply correct, but has the unique anointing of the word of God. (Heb. 4:12)

1,796 posted on 01/10/2016 12:04:29 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: metmom
And I'm STILL waiting for someone to answer whether the Church gives Scripture it's authority or whether Scripture gives the Church its authority and which one is authoritative over the other.

And that's all you'll do, sadly, Met, is wait. I'm still waiting on answers to my questions too. Just know it'll never happen. We know the truth regardless.

:D

Hoss

1,801 posted on 01/10/2016 1:02:31 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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